Prostitution should be FULLY legalised

[amorphos_ii]

Prostitution should be FULLY legalised

I spoke to a young woman engaged in the profession, and she said ‘the men are desperate and need us’, to wit I said, yes, and in a weeks time they will be desperate and need you all over again, perpetually. Anyhow, there is a need or desire, and either way a society like our modern ones have prostitution.

The worse thing about that is how they are treated and how they are brought into the profession often through force. Which is why I feel it should be legalised. These girls need to be protected from pimps who sell their wares to the highest bidder who invariably treat them the worst.

[Pattern-chaser]

I see (at least) 3 views on prostitution.

The first is the incel view, that men are entitled to sex, and women should simply oblige them. I see no point or need to delve any deeper than this into the alarming and sinister world of the incel.

The second view is that a woman should have the choice to earn money by prostitution, and should be afforded suitable protection from abuse. I think this is your view?

The third view is that no woman would ever want to be a prostitute, if she had the choice, and it is only a male-dominated world that forces them to do it. This is a more radical feminist view, but still a view that is understandable, and reasonable according to its own standards.

I'm sure there are other views too.

[JackDaydream]

I see (at least) 3 views on prostitution.

The first is the incel view, that men are entitled to sex, and women should simply oblige them. I see no point or need to delve any deeper than this into the alarming and sinister world of the incel.

The second view is that a woman should have the choice to earn money by prostitution, and should be afforded suitable protection from abuse. I think this is your view?

The third view is that no woman would ever want to be a prostitute, if she had the choice, and it is only a male-dominated world that forces them to do it. This is a more radical feminist view, but still a view that is understandable, and reasonable according to its own standards.

I'm sure there are other views too.

Of course, it isn't only women who become prostitutes. There is a big market for 'rent boys' too. Many people who turn to prostitution in order to survive and it may be more so, in an increasing time of financial struggle. I have also heard of women in particular often being in situations where they find that their landlords expect sex from them in addition to rent. There have been women who have been given support to come into this country and have found themselves arriving into a network of prostitution.

Prostitution demonstrates a portrait of inequalities. With it being illegal it does mean that it is hidden underworld of exploitation. There may be some people who engage in having sex for money because it brings them access to luxuries and privileges which they would not be able to access otherwise, so they feel that they are in control. However, to legalise it may be equivalent to condoning it which might be like making it acceptable to sell one's own kidneys, or other body parts.

[Sculptor1]

Moreover, prostitution should be under the protection of the law, and regulated with health checks.

Right now police persecute prostitutes or go for freebies, to leave them alone.

[Sculptor1]

I see (at least) 3 views on prostitution.

The first is the incel view, that men are entitled to sex, and women should simply oblige them. I see no point or need to delve any deeper than this into the alarming and sinister world of the incel.

The second view is that a woman should have the choice to earn money by prostitution, and should be afforded suitable protection from abuse. I think this is your view?

The third view is that no woman would ever want to be a prostitute, if she had the choice, and it is only a male-dominated world that forces them to do it. This is a more radical feminist view, but still a view that is understandable, and reasonable according to its own standards.

I'm sure there are other views too.

Of course, it isn't only women who become prostitutes. There is a big market for 'rent boys' too. Many people who turn to prostitution in order to survive and it may be more so, in an increasing time of financial struggle. I have also heard of women in particular often being in situations where they find that their landlords expect sex from them in addition to rent. There have been women who have been given support to come into this country and have found themselves arriving into a network of prostitution.

Prostitution demonstrates a portrait of inequalities. With it being illegal it does mean that it is hidden underworld of exploitation. There may be some people who engage in having sex for money because it brings them access to luxuries and privileges which they would not be able to access otherwise, so they feel that they are in control. However, to legalise it may be equivalent to condoning it which might be like making it acceptable to sell one's own kidneys, or other body parts.

You are a prostitute, and you analogy is false.
If you have ever had a 9-5 job then you have prostituted your body for your employer.
Making it illegal only encourages more inequality.

[amorphos_ii]

lol we are all prostitutes

Pattern chaser

yes I am concerned with the welfare of the women, and all other facets of the equation may be important but are secondary.

Not all whores are paid e.g. temple whores – not sure if they still exist, but that’s due to other changes rather than the need.

I concur on the third point. It is nearly always money but before contraception come to be, I think that after people have had 10 kids and watch some of them die by the time they are 35, then the woman too would want some kind of reprieve from that horror show. So yes all kinds of need rather than a desire to be a prostitute.

Jackdaydream

I don’t think there is a particular difference, so the same applies to any gender prostitute indeed.
Forced prostitution is a foremost concern especially with children.

Legalise it [for adults] and you get rid of most of that, although I fear the more extremes which pay more, would still manifest the illegal trade and gangs etc. one can only minimise the worst side of it, and then close the net in. ID [like a swipe card with more range] from birth would help a lot, along with detection systems that can tell if a given individual has no such ID. I would rather live in a world without ID, but that would be naive.

[JackDaydream]

lol we are all prostitutes

Pattern chaser

yes I am concerned with the welfare of the women, and all other facets of the equation may be important but are secondary.

Not all whores are paid e.g. temple whores – not sure if they still exist, but that’s due to other changes rather than the need.

I concur on the third point. It is nearly always money but before contraception come to be, I think that after people have had 10 kids and watch some of them die by the time they are 35, then the woman too would want some kind of reprieve from that horror show. So yes all kinds of need rather than a desire to be a prostitute.

Jackdaydream

I don’t think there is a particular difference, so the same applies to any gender prostitute indeed.
Forced prostitution is a foremost concern especially with children.

Legalise it [for adults] and you get rid of most of that, although I fear the more extremes which pay more, would still manifest the illegal trade and gangs etc. one can only minimise the worst side of it, and then close the net in. ID [like a swipe card with more range] from birth would help a lot, along with detection systems that can tell if a given individual has no such ID. I would rather live in a world without ID, but that would be naive.

I am not sure that a swipe card system introduced into prostitution would be particularly helpful because it would just make it become institutionalised as a new norm for the techno/totalitarian age. Who would benefit, the people who make their living from it or those who come to it as a sexual outlet? It is not that I am judgmental morally of either group but just don't see that legalising it would help because as you say a lot would still take place underground in the form of gangs. But, I don't see that it is simply children who exploited. The networks are far more complex in dynamics.

Also, Sculptor1's point about work as 'prostitution' is important because it is about people being treated as commodities. As employees are expected to be more like machines the demands are becoming greater in work, with allegiances to institutions. The issue is about money as a form of control and exploitation, for sex or for other aspects of life. A lot of objections to prostitution are based on moral distaste, but the issue may go deeper and be about power and manipulation. The swipe card idea you suggest would be like making prostitution a new way of accessing sexual pleasure in a technological age, without questioning beyond questioning the role of money and its politics.

[LuckyR]

I would favor decriminalization over legalization.

[Konut]

I see (at least) 3 views on prostitution.

The first is the incel view, that men are entitled to sex, and women should simply oblige them. I see no point or need to delve any deeper than this into the alarming and sinister world of the incel.

The second view is that a woman should have the choice to earn money by prostitution, and should be afforded suitable protection from abuse. I think this is your view?

The third view is that no woman would ever want to be a prostitute, if she had the choice, and it is only a male-dominated world that forces them to do it. This is a more radical feminist view, but still a view that is understandable, and reasonable according to its own standards.

I'm sure there are other views too.

Of course, it isn't only women who become prostitutes. There is a big market for 'rent boys' too. Many people who turn to prostitution in order to survive and it may be more so, in an increasing time of financial struggle. I have also heard of women in particular often being in situations where they find that their landlords expect sex from them in addition to rent. There have been women who have been given support to come into this country and have found themselves arriving into a network of prostitution.

Prostitution demonstrates a portrait of inequalities. With it being illegal it does mean that it is hidden underworld of exploitation. There may be some people who engage in having sex for money because it brings them access to luxuries and privileges which they would not be able to access otherwise, so they feel that they are in control. However, to legalise it may be equivalent to condoning it which might be like making it acceptable to sell one's own kidneys, or other body parts.

You are a prostitute, and you analogy is false.
If you have ever had a 9-5 job then you have prostituted your body for your employer.
Making it illegal only encourages more inequality.

I agree to a part, prostitution is most leisure job women seek for, making this legal would be heaven to the most, and more vulnerable to normal social functionality.

[Pattern-chaser]

prostitution is most leisure job women seek for, making this legal would be heaven to the most...

So your position is that many or most women aspire to prostitution, as a way to make money and earn a living? Or have I misunderstood your words?

I have never heard this view expressed before. Do you have any real-world examples, or surveys, or ... anything that might support your view?

[Sculptor1]

I see (at least) 3 views on prostitution.

The first is the incel view, that men are entitled to sex, and women should simply oblige them. I see no point or need to delve any deeper than this into the alarming and sinister world of the incel.

The second view is that a woman should have the choice to earn money by prostitution, and should be afforded suitable protection from abuse. I think this is your view?

The third view is that no woman would ever want to be a prostitute, if she had the choice, and it is only a male-dominated world that forces them to do it. This is a more radical feminist view, but still a view that is understandable, and reasonable according to its own standards.

I'm sure there are other views too.

Of course, it isn't only women who become prostitutes. There is a big market for 'rent boys' too. Many people who turn to prostitution in order to survive and it may be more so, in an increasing time of financial struggle. I have also heard of women in particular often being in situations where they find that their landlords expect sex from them in addition to rent. There have been women who have been given support to come into this country and have found themselves arriving into a network of prostitution.

Prostitution demonstrates a portrait of inequalities. With it being illegal it does mean that it is hidden underworld of exploitation. There may be some people who engage in having sex for money because it brings them access to luxuries and privileges which they would not be able to access otherwise, so they feel that they are in control. However, to legalise it may be equivalent to condoning it which might be like making it acceptable to sell one's own kidneys, or other body parts.

You are a prostitute, and you analogy is false.
If you have ever had a 9-5 job then you have prostituted your body for your employer.
Making it illegal only encourages more inequality.

I agree to a part, prostitution is most leisure job women seek for, making this legal would be heaven to the most, and more vulnerable to normal social functionality.

I have no idea what you mean by this statement.
Such as the phrase " most leisure job".

Prostitution, as such, is not everywhere illegal, though aspects of it are such as soliciting and pimping.
ALso running a "house of disrepute" is illegal.
The net effect of these subsidiary laws is to make prostitution dangerous to women.

[Konut]

prostitution is most leisure job women seek for, making this legal would be heaven to the most...

So your position is that many or most women aspire to prostitution, as a way to make money and earn a living? Or have I misunderstood your words?

I have never heard this view expressed before. Do you have any real-world examples, or surveys, or ... anything that might support your view?

This is my opinion and I do not defend this with any world example. However, if you keep a feminist view it is completly fine if you disagree.
Prostitution has been part of the society throughout history, that said, it would mean different to the POTUS and to a Jenitor but making this legal is the concern I am not in favor with.

[Stoppelmann]

You are a prostitute, and you analogy is false.
If you have ever had a 9-5 job then you have prostituted your body for your employer.
Making it illegal only encourages more inequality.

Using the same word for different experiences doesn't make it the same. Just because the economic system we work in makes us sell our time and abilities to earn a living doesn't the same as the practice or occupation of engaging in sexual activity with someone for payment. I agree that in some cases it is just as degrading, but the invasion of privacy and violation that occurs in prostitution is far more degrading, even if people claim that prostitutes choose their profession - which in some cases has been said to be true. However, very often the disrespect is drowned by alcohol or some substance, and self-esteem is hard to come by even without this abuse.

[Sculptor1]

You are a prostitute, and you analogy is false.
If you have ever had a 9-5 job then you have prostituted your body for your employer.
Making it illegal only encourages more inequality.

Using the same word for different experiences doesn't make it the same. Just because the economic system we work in makes us sell our time and abilities to earn a living doesn't the same as the practice or occupation of engaging in sexual activity with someone for payment. I agree that in some cases it is just as degrading, but the invasion of privacy and violation that occurs in prostitution is far more degrading, even if people claim that prostitutes choose their profession - which in some cases has been said to be true. However, very often the disrespect is drowned by alcohol or some substance, and self-esteem is hard to come by even without this abuse.

That would depend. This applies to SOME, but not all prostitutes. My feeling is that as the work can be degrading more than other jobs, then prostitution deserves more protection under the law, not more vilification by the authorities.
My father knew a professional who ran a dungeon. She had a list of well-to-do clients who would relish in being mildly humiliated for a fee. She ran a well-organised house, declared her income and paid her taxes under the description "personal services". The degradation was not towards her own person, but was her stock in trade to sell to her clients. There are many sex workers who are not touched by the client but provide dances, and some who appear in films as actors.

There is no doubt in my mind that as a profession the degree to which it might be "degrading" is proportional to the prejudice and disdain poured upon them by the moral and religious class. It is less about the act itself, and more about the fact that the work has to happen in a sordid environment; forced underground by religious prigs.

[amorphos_ii]

If legalised fully, then you would minimise the gangs who are making vast fortunes atm. Then you continue to find ways to close the net in on them. Everyone who lives on a street with a house where prostitution occurs, knows that the house is a whorehouse. Ergo society has a big role to play in this. Partly legalising and making just the soliciting illegal, doesn’t work and doesn’t help the girls to be protected.

I don’t mind if it is more accessible nor acceptable, though I definitely don’t agree with the prostitutes sitting in shop windows like in Holland [I don’t know if it is still like that]. Such things will be addressed according to how different cultures go about it.

Generally with the we are all prostitutes thing, well that has been getting worse since thatcher and Reagan decided to make the world into a horrible place. Before that in 1926 there was general strikes to get workers power, then only a few years later the banks made the great depression happen, and then workers were taking any job just to get fed. This is how terrible the capitalists are, evil even. Now, how are we to tackle something so vast, when banks are richer than nations and are not democratically voted into all that power?

People are easily brainwashed and the politics of fear can even make them vote conservative, even when their forefathers would have gone mad over such an idea. My sons think they are businessmen but aren’t, my daughter was in a band and every member wanted themselves to be the big I am. You see how the man can change culture and peoples minds!