ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑
May 27th, 2018, 1:41 pm
I'd like to congratulate Ireland for it's successful vote to repeal the abortion ban.
I suggest that every one voting YES are consistent with the GR, whilst those voting no are voting to control the bodies of women.
Yes does not mean anyone HAS to have an abortion. Voting NO means imposing your own personal moral code on the rest of society.
And they may argue that are using the GR to take into account the fetus. You may then say, that it is not yet a person, so the GR does not apply. At exactly what point it becomes a person or is one is not easy to prove. There are a number of reasons for this. Our ability to keep alive younger and younger fetuses - right now the record is around 4 months and this will likely be beaten via technology down to fertilization. The fact that in other species fertilization can take place externally and we would consider it an organism at that point, or at least have philosophical problems saying when it becomes one. In humans it happens internally but this does not mean there is some clear point where it becomes an entity, and mothers will often grieve a miscarriage, and not just in the abstract because they won't be mothers, even at very early stages of pregnancy. IOW it is built into human reactions to consider that there is a being, a specific one, from very early on. This also gives them a way to use the GR in relation to the mothers.
They could also use the GR on larger scales. If I was doing something that made society take sex, conception less in a way that did not honor the....etc...and this would lead to wider decadence I would want someone to intervene and stop me or legislate to prevent me doing this.
You may think that is not the case, but it will get very hard to prove, given that effects are often very hard to track. AND evaluating those facts will include value judgments.
I am glad the Irish voted the way they did, but I cannot use the GR to prove this is right.
This comes into play in all sorts of cross cultural situations. The spartans would likely look at our parenting practices as damaging to everyone. We might argue GR wise that we, as a child, wanted to be treated X. They would point out that we don't always do what children want either and then use the GR the other way and say, that if they would children, they would want whatever parenting led to them being great, disciplined and not afraid, even if this seemed brutal at the time.
Value judgments affect how the GR is applied and since I may not share your value judgments, I may treat you in ways that you do not want to be treated, and you men, perhaps especially if you are a child.
There have been cultures were dying in battle is highly prioritized. A Quaker and a Viking might both use the GR and come to different conclusions.