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Re: Plural marriage vs monogamy

Post by Belindi » May 17th, 2018, 5:31 am

Eduk wrote:
By the way why limit to more than one wife? Does the equation change if it's more than one husband?
Also we seem to be ignoring everyone else outside of the plural marriage?
Right, we should not ignore everyone else outside of that specific marriage.

Patrilocality and patrilineality support marriages with many wives per husband. Women in many undeveloped rural communities do most of the work and are a valued resource. Many wives also produce many children and these add to the labour force for the family enterprise.

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And I am sure it will work great... in years 1-4, how about year 20? Not that binary marriages are immune to problems (far from it), my point is that whatever the risk of trouble is, the impact of trouble is multiplied when you add additional personalities, baggage and quirks into the mix.
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This would be true for patrilineal and patrilocal arrangements but for the traditions instilled into boys and girls on the occasions of their maturity. The male and female roles are traditionally demarcated and supported by everybody. When urbanised independent persons do married polyamory either legalised or informal the participants are guided or not as cases may be by their own consciences. The use of public wedding ceremonies is that vows are made in public and theoretically the people at the wedding will try to make the couple hold to these vows. If weddings were still taken seriously they would be good not only for a man and wife getting married but also for people who wed multiple partners. The contract is very important.

I say "if weddings were taken seriously". Unfortunately this is often not the case and discontent and divorce is all too common.

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Re: Plural marriage vs monogamy

Post by LuckyR » May 17th, 2018, 1:11 pm

Eduk wrote:
May 17th, 2018, 3:24 am
By the way why limit to more than one wife? Does the equation change if it's more than one husband?
Also we seem to be ignoring everyone else outside of the plural marriage?
Out of interest. The only modern day example of plural marriage I can think of is certain Mormon communities. I have little to no experience of such a community. I was wondering if anyone had? In those communities how common are monogamous marriages?
The standard Mormon church is against plural marriage. True there are splinter groups that still do it. They seem to be of two varieties. One is cult-like and is a cover for pedophilia with the leader being one of the few men who can marry and who is "given" very young girls from the other marriages. The second are "normal" marriages where the husband "divorces" each successive marriage to get married again, but the divorces are a legal dodge to keep out of jail AND to let the "single" mothers get government money to raise the (numerous) children. They have no qualms about this fraud.
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Re: Plural marriage vs monogamy

Post by Eduk » May 17th, 2018, 1:16 pm

And how common are monogamous marriages in those cultures?
The accepted tradition, in the UK, of divorce and remarriage is almost the same as plural marriage. So some marriages/people are monogamous, some have no relationship and some are close to plural marriages. I don't really know the exact split.
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Re: Plural marriage vs monogamy

Post by LuckyR » May 17th, 2018, 1:58 pm

Eduk wrote:
May 17th, 2018, 1:16 pm
And how common are monogamous marriages in those cultures?
The accepted tradition, in the UK, of divorce and remarriage is almost the same as plural marriage. So some marriages/people are monogamous, some have no relationship and some are close to plural marriages. I don't really know the exact split.
Well, as I alluded to, within the standard Mormon church it is essentially 100% of marriages since plural marriage results in excommunication. Within the splinter groups it is likely close to 0% since plural marriage is the purpose of the splinter group existing. Though legally (due to the divorce loophole) it would be 100% of "marriages".
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