Killing Hitler?
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You seem to want it both ways Hereandnow. We shouldn't blame others but if we do we are to blame.
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For example if I could stop Hitler I would and if I could stop an earthquake I would (ignoring possible side effects). But I blame those two things in different ways.
Personally I believe people do have agency, and if they don't have agency it makes no actual difference (my conclusions remain the same). Though people don't have perfect agency (so I agree with you up to a point). Personally I would say there is some mitigation to Hitler and he should not be blamed fully in certain very specific ways, but at the same time he certainly should be blamed in others. Net result in the case of Hitler is the same though whether I find him wholly responsible or only partly.
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In a deterministic world blame takes in a different meaning. Free will aside, Hitler did what he did and like all of us, we have to take responsibility for our actions, determined as they are.Eduk wrote: ↑August 18th, 2018, 3:51 am Why question whether Hitler deserves the bad rap? How am I to blame? I was simply thrown into my personality and emotions. You might as well blame me for my sexual preference.
You seem to want it both ways Hereandnow. We shouldn't blame others but if we do we are to blame.
And as Hitler was determined by his nature to act in the way he did, I am determined to stop him.
But I would be to blame, just as Hitler is to blame.
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I only wish to comment on item 2). I would not, because for me there would be repercussions. "Let he who is free of sin cast the first stone" (Christ).
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Do you feel this phrase applies to literal stones or figurative ones?
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1) It seems like a very serious measure to take, but in some circumstances suicide isn’t immoral. If someone,wishes to die then what is there we can do to physically prevemt them from doing so without essentially taking away their freedom? Lots of grey areas for sure.mr533473 wrote: ↑July 3rd, 2018, 2:51 am 1.) Morally speaking, is suicide immoral, permissible or obligatory? Why?
2.) If between 1930-1945, you were given the chance (without repercussion) to kill Hitler, would you do it? Would doing it be immoral, permissible or obligatory? why?
3.) Was Hitler's suicide immoral, permissible or obligatory? why?
4.) What's your favourite colour?
2) That would depend on the lay of the political landscape at the time of killing him. Was he the sole perpetrator? I don’t honestly know enough about history to say it would’ve made a positive difference if he was never to have existed. At face value though if we talking about killing one man to save several others then we’d have to judge the qualities of said people rather than simply regard the case as a one dead or several dead option because not everything aloce can be deemed of equal moral value (hence your questions.)
3) He was a drug addict in the end so I am not quite sure what to say? Are suicides immoral? Not all. Case by case.
4) Yellow. I’m very fond of autumnal colours (dull browns, greys and greens mixed in with sunburst yellows, and golden and orange hues.)
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There are no repercussions in a hypothetical scenario with no repercussions.
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Suicide is wholly in the hands of the individual and should be beyond the reach of moralisers
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Well yes and no. True we each make our own moralistic judgements on our own life choices. But we all know that it is only a half step from correctly making our own choices to incorrectly feeling justified in holding others to our personal standards. Just ask a Pro-lifer.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2018, 6:49 am If we do not have control over our own lives then what is the point of morality.
Suicide is wholly in the hands of the individual and should be beyond the reach of moralisers
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I'm not advocating pro-life, are you?LuckyR wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2018, 2:25 amWell yes and no. True we each make our own moralistic judgements on our own life choices. But we all know that it is only a half step from correctly making our own choices to incorrectly feeling justified in holding others to our personal standards. Just ask a Pro-lifer.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2018, 6:49 am If we do not have control over our own lives then what is the point of morality.
Suicide is wholly in the hands of the individual and should be beyond the reach of moralisers
As long as you do not unnecessarily inconvenience the rest of us, by jumping off a building onto a busy street, the end of life ought to be a personal choice.
It is an absurd law that only results in punishment when attempted and failed
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I'm not in favour of punishing people for attempting suicide, but, for the same reasons that I am in favour of the nanny state, I don't think it's entirely their own business whether they do so. It's other people's business too. I think (if it's being contemplated as a "permanent solution to a temporary problem", as they say) it should be discouraged with carrots not sticks. Not by threats of punishment, but by offers of help. I don't think the question of whether or not it is immoral is useful. As far as I'm concerned, the purpose of labelling any given act as immoral is functional. It is preventative. It is a stick. So it's not applicable to suicide.
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