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Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Pages » October 15th, 2018, 5:30 pm

A poor farmer who was laid off from his driving job more than 10 years ago, is struggling to survive with his family in a small incomplete building.
He is the sole provider for his family. Farm ain't doing so good, he goes from one small job to the other but still has little or nothing to give to the family sometimes.
Then you buy a taxi for the man to take care of his family and then he died in an accident 2 days after, with the car.

Did you kill him?
Is it your fault?
How would you feel?
Would you be responsible for further suffering of his family?
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Burning ghost » October 16th, 2018, 12:32 am

I woke up this morning. Somebody died. Is it my fault? Of course not!
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Eduk » October 16th, 2018, 3:51 am

BG you monster!
Pages if that did happen the insurance should be enough to help the family get back on their feet. Of course if I cared about someone enough to buy them a car I'd feel awful, even though it's obviously not my fault, and I'd likely try to do more to help the family.
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Pages » October 17th, 2018, 1:04 pm

Eduk wrote:
October 16th, 2018, 3:51 am
BG you monster!
Ikr... He/she has to be a monster for typing something that unthoughtfully stupid
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Eduk » October 17th, 2018, 1:05 pm

Don't overreact pages it does little for you.
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Pages » October 17th, 2018, 1:18 pm

Neither does needless arrogance and the condoning of it. I'm of the opinion that if one has nothing important to say one should just pass.
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Pages » October 17th, 2018, 1:20 pm

"*So does..."
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Burning ghost » October 17th, 2018, 2:10 pm

What’s the dilemma?
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by ThomasHobbes » October 17th, 2018, 3:12 pm

Pages wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 5:30 pm
A poor farmer who was laid off from his driving job more than 10 years ago, is struggling to survive with his family in a small incomplete building.
He is the sole provider for his family. Farm ain't doing so good, he goes from one small job to the other but still has little or nothing to give to the family sometimes.
Then you buy a taxi for the man to take care of his family and then he died in an accident 2 days after, with the car.

Did you kill him?
Is it your fault?
How would you feel?
Would you be responsible for further suffering of his family?

Dah no, obviously.

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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Pages » October 17th, 2018, 4:31 pm

Burning ghost wrote:
October 17th, 2018, 2:10 pm
What’s the dilemma?
Whether or not to empower them
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by LuckyR » October 18th, 2018, 1:36 am

Pages wrote:
October 15th, 2018, 5:30 pm
A poor farmer who was laid off from his driving job more than 10 years ago, is struggling to survive with his family in a small incomplete building.
He is the sole provider for his family. Farm ain't doing so good, he goes from one small job to the other but still has little or nothing to give to the family sometimes.
Then you buy a taxi for the man to take care of his family and then he died in an accident 2 days after, with the car.

Did you kill him?
Is it your fault?
How would you feel?
Would you be responsible for further suffering of his family?
Anyone who knows what this word truly means, knows the answer to the OP's first, second and fourth questions.

As to the third: badly, though not overwhelmingly so.
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Burning ghost » October 18th, 2018, 1:42 am

Pages wrote:
October 17th, 2018, 4:31 pm
Burning ghost wrote:
October 17th, 2018, 2:10 pm
What’s the dilemma?
Whether or not to empower them
It’s a silly question. Basically you are asking if someone would help people they care about. Obviously yes.

Also, the idea that an accident in which we take no part in is iur fault is also quite silly.

I suggest you put a little more thought into how you word your hypothetical next time. What would be more interesting would be to ask what benefits you gain from helping random strangers, and to what extent we help others in order to help ourselves - the age old question of the existence of an “unrewarded” kindness.
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Pages » October 18th, 2018, 3:25 am

It's actually a real life issue. Got me wondering whether they should have been left alone. Whether there is a point where not thinking things past a particular possibility could be counted as personal negligence even when trying to be kind. You know, like buying a phone for a kid one feels needs it but, the kid gets over-exposed as a result. Like God creating man with freewill and then blaming man for using it. Things like that.
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Burning ghost » October 18th, 2018, 3:37 am

Pages -

That is a good point. The saying about the road to evil being pathed with good intentions highlights this.

People can certainly be given too much “help.” How we judge this comes with personal experience and careful observation. I still wouldn’t see any blame on teh part of buying someone a taxi (although I would expect the person to reimburse me in some way because I don’t believe in complete charity - unless it’s a small thing or mrely giviing someone time and attention.) If he then died I certainly wouldn’t expect his family to pay me back in any way, nor would I feel guilty unless I knew he couldn’t drive or that the taxi was a death trap.

Just because we cannot predict future ourcomes it doesn’t mean we should do nothing. We will make mistakes so better to recognise them and then build wisdom. We’re limited beings.
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Re: Moral dilemma. Who's fault is it?

Post by Eduk » October 18th, 2018, 4:13 am

I've often heard the phrase the path to hell is paved with good intentions. But I never took that in a straight forward manner. For example it could mean that anyone can say they meant well even when they didn't. Or it could mean that someone genuinely meant well but was grossly negligent and should have known better. A bit like the difference between murder and manslaughter. Also it could be making the point that actions speak louder than words, as in you may have intended well but you were idle.
I don't think the path to hell is paved with reasonable and sincere and hard working good intentions.
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