Being vegan for ethical reasons.

[Liverpool]

1. Self recognition.
2. The human experience.

So you can ethically kill severely disabled people who all share the exact same subjective experience -- the only difference between kill and no kill, is something arbitrary like they all have a tiny pig tail?

Yes you can kill the disabled things.

[Liverpool]

Look generally if you eat meat, you support the mass killing of animals, very simple.. being vegan is the right thing to do but I couldn't do it if I tried.. poor excuse but that's why pretty much everybody isn't vegan not cos killing animals is okay.

[Kaz_1983]

So you can ethically kill severely disabled people who all share the exact same subjective experience -- the only difference between kill and no kill, is something arbitrary like they all have a tiny pig tail?

Yes you can kill the disabled things.

So, your okay with killing beings that?

1. Have the exact same day-to-day experience to that of a human.

2. Are 99.999999999999% human DNA.

3. Are 0.0000000000001% animal DNA.

[LuckyR]

Yes you can kill the disabled things.

So, your okay with killing beings that?

1. Have the exact same day-to-day experience to that of a human.

2. Are 99.999999999999% human DNA.

3. Are 0.0000000000001% animal DNA.

Which species are you referring to in the above questions?

[Kaz_1983]

So, your okay with killing beings that?

1. Have the exact same day-to-day experience to that of a human.

2. Are 99.999999999999% human DNA.

3. Are 0.0000000000001% animal DNA.

Which species are you referring to in the above questions?

No questions were asked.

Nahh I was making a point that if you want to invoke "but human tho" and still be logically consistent - you gotta be okay with holocausting "beings" that have the exact same day-to-day experiences as a human - ohhh btw they're made up of; 99.9999999% human dna and 0.000001% pig/wild boar

[LuckyR]

Which species are you referring to in the above questions?

No questions were asked.

Nahh I was making a point that if you want to invoke "but human tho" and still be logically consistent - you gotta be okay with holocausting "beings" that have the exact same day-to-day experiences as a human - ohhh btw they're made up of; 99.9999999% human dna and 0.000001% pig/wild boar

So you are asking how different is different enough? A 1.2% difference is chimps to people and almost no one in the west eats chimps.

But that is about being eaten. It is OK to "own" chimps (with the 1.2% difference), they clearly aren't adult humans with adult human "rights" (in human society). Of course minor humans (with, of course 100% human DNA) don't have adult human "rights" either, so clearly "rights' aren't just about DNA. Incompetent adult humans don't have full adult human "rights".

[Sculptor1]

No questions were asked.

Nahh I was making a point that if you want to invoke "but human tho" and still be logically consistent - you gotta be okay with holocausting "beings" that have the exact same day-to-day experiences as a human - ohhh btw they're made up of; 99.9999999% human dna and 0.000001% pig/wild boar

So you are asking how different is different enough? A 1.2% difference is chimps to people and almost no one in the west eats chimps.

But that is about being eaten. It is OK to "own" chimps (with the 1.2% difference), they clearly aren't adult humans with adult human "rights" (in human society). Of course minor humans (with, of course 100% human DNA) don't have adult human "rights" either, so clearly "rights' aren't just about DNA. Incompetent adult humans don't have full adult human "rights".

Bit of a silly argument.
Chemically the Mona Lisa is probably the same in chemical composition to most other oil painting, from Hans Von Aachen to Jacopo Zucchi.
DNA is a blunt club for this sort of "moral" calculation.
We share more genes with a rabbit than a whale or dolphin. Is that any reason to kill Cetaceans rather than eat rabbit stew? I think not.

[Kaz_1983]

So you are asking how different is different enough? A 1.2% difference is chimps to people and almost no one in the west eats chimps.

But that is about being eaten. It is OK to "own" chimps (with the 1.2% difference), they clearly aren't adult humans with adult human "rights" (in human society). Of course minor humans (with, of course 100% human DNA) don't have adult human "rights" either, so clearly "rights' aren't just about DNA. Incompetent adult humans don't have full adult human "rights".

Bit of a silly argument.

See if he values staying consistent - that's the logical extension of what is being said.

Ohhh btw so you don't get confused - that wasn't an argument, but rather a reductio.

[Sy Borg]

It's just a matter of empathy. Some people are empathetic towards non-human animals, some have empathy for just a few, but most would be fine with every last animal being wiped from the face of the Earth, which is why humanity is working assiduously towards that goal.

[Kaz_1983]

No questions were asked.

Nahh I was making a point that if you want to invoke "but human tho" and still be logically consistent - you gotta be okay with holocausting "beings" that have the exact same day-to-day experiences as a human - ohhh btw they're made up of; 99.9999999% human dna and 0.000001% pig/wild boar

So you are asking how different is different enough? A 1.2% difference is chimps to people and almost no one in the west eats chimps.

Good point.

1,200,000 X 0.00000.1% = 1.20%

So you would need over a million times more of the non-human DNA to reach the 1.20% of that chimp.. very interesting.

[Liverpool]

Yes you can kill the disabled things.

So, your okay with killing beings that?

1. Have the exact same day-to-day experience to that of a human.

2. Are 99.999999999999% human DNA.

3. Are 0.0000000000001% animal DNA.

Humans don't all have the same-day today experience as each other anyways lol.. we are more than just a bunch of dna. Also people who love the relatives will suffer and there are laws against killing a person.

[Kaz_1983]

So, your okay with killing beings that?

1. Have the exact same day-to-day experience to that of a human.

2. Are 99.999999999999% human DNA.

3. Are 0.0000000000001% animal DNA.

Humans don't all have the same-day today experience as each other anyways lol..
Your right! Humans don't all have the exact same day-to-day experience as each other.

Some people are starving to death, then again most are living a normal day-to-day life - some people are cashed up and drive hypercars.. others drive average cars.

Also people who love the relatives will suffer and there are laws against killing a person.

What if you had zero relatives and was located in a country with no laws to break?

Would you killing some disabled person like animal then be okay?

[Sculptor1]

Bit of a silly argument.

See if he values staying consistent - that's the logical extension of what is being said.

Ohhh btw so you don't get confused - that wasn't an argument, but rather a reductio.

Just so you are not confused. You can't say a thing is not a fruit because it's an apple.

[Sculptor1]

It's just a matter of empathy. Some people are empathetic towards non-human animals, some have empathy for just a few, but most would be fine with every last animal being wiped from the face of the Earth, which is why humanity is working assiduously towards that goal.

And the vegans are exactly the sort of people that would see that goal achieved.

[Sculptor1]

Humans don't all have the same-day today experience as each other anyways lol..
Your right! Humans don't all have the exact same day-to-day experience as each other.

Some people are starving to death, then again most are living a normal day-to-day life - some people are cashed up and drive hypercars.. others drive average cars.

Also people who love the relatives will suffer and there are laws against killing a person.

What if you had zero relatives and was located in a country with no laws to break?

Would you killing some disabled person like animal then be okay?

It does not matter how many times you do this; a non sequitur is still a non sequitur.