Solid example against Kantian ethics ?

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Re: Solid example against Kantian ethics ?

Post by Pattern-chaser » October 18th, 2020, 11:07 am

Arjen wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 5:00 pm
I can't. Your friend is right. Morality is the difference between good and bad in actions. And that is what Kantian ethics is all about. Plus, utilitarianism is per definition immoral. So, there you have it. You should think about what your friend has to say about that and why.
Exactly. And, since the meanings of "good" and "bad" are merely opinions, which differ widely and wildly, ethics and morality will always be a philosophical minefield.
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Re: Solid example against Kantian ethics ?

Post by Arjen » October 18th, 2020, 1:25 pm

Yes, which is why morality is so important.
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Re: Solid example against Kantian ethics ?

Post by Papus79 » October 22nd, 2020, 9:06 am

In a sense I don't think the 'everyone driving a car' was a particularly bad example - and we can side-bar the 'everyone who both should or should drive a car' issue because I don't think it's helpful. We've got a global CO2 problem. That doesn't mean emergency vehicles shouldn't be able to rush people to hospitals as needed. It doesn't mean police should be on horseback. It does mean we need *fewer* gas-powered cars on the road among other things.

If anyone says 'Hold everything in life up to this flat lens and if it passes through feel free to do it, if it deflects don't do it' - it's either a self-admittedly situational heuristic where you're not really supposed to use it precisely that way very often or, if they mean that quite literally, they might be a demagogue or religious zealot.
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Re: Solid example against Kantian ethics ?

Post by Papus79 » October 22nd, 2020, 9:08 am

* should or should not
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Re: Solid example against Kantian ethics ?

Post by Terrapin Station » October 22nd, 2020, 9:18 am

Reading "Act only according to that maxim by which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law" so that it implies that we're talking about everyone doing something at exactly the same time is an odd reading to say the least.

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Re: Solid example against Kantian ethics ?

Post by Kaz_1983 » November 11th, 2020, 5:06 am

I suppose Kantian type ethics reduced to consequentialism in the end.

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