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Greta wrote: February 8th, 2021, 1:32 am But, as you say, it's not all evangelical Christianity.

Yes, although I didn't make that as clear as I would have liked. Yes, the dogmatic religions bear some responsibility ... along with other influences that are cultural and political in nature, not forgetting the influences that I didn't/don't know about. It's too easy for anti-religionists to just blame religion. Sometimes, that is just the lazy option: "God did it". Religion has done enormous good, over the centuries ... and it has been responsible for enormous harm too. But not everything is down solely to religion, whether it be good or bad. We humans have invented or discovered multitudinous ways of screwing things up, and religion is only one of them.
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popeye1945 wrote: February 8th, 2021, 9:12 am Lucky R, Interesting insight, but I still suspect the Christian right-wing of dumbing down the public in concert with the Republican parties right arm fox news, they are using each other, but the result is an ever dumber population. The qualities he displays all of the lowest common denoanator has Christians voting with the neo-Nazi's, the klan and every hate group in the country, Christians speak to me anew of your virtues!
I am not saying that the dogmatic nature of fundamentalist religiosity doesn't select for the intellectually uncurious, however you can listen to these same folks spout intricate, if uninformed, "logic" as to how the California wildfires were caused by Jewish satellite lasers. So they can follow a thought process.
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popeye1945 wrote: February 8th, 2021, 9:19 am
Greta wrote: February 8th, 2021, 3:13 am
popeye1945 wrote: February 8th, 2021, 2:45 am Fox news was and is, an arm of the Republican party, which the Christian right-wing supports.
I suspect that the Republican Party is an arm of Fox News. The Republican Party could not survive without Fox, but Fox could easily survive the demise of the Republican Party. Fox would simply shift to whatever party that supports the fossil fuel companies due to Murdoch's decades' long business interests in the fossil fuel industry.
These are a morally depraved group of bedfellows, how on earth did both the Republican party and American Christianity sink so low. I find nothing in your post to dispute, sadly!
The lure of power and lucre, seemingly. Many churches have clearly been taken over by political players. When I see many of today's theists it's hard not to think of Pharisees.

Also, overpopulation and massive ecosystem depletion means that resources are more scarce, which raises the stakes. Generally, the greater the stakes, the more that end results are seen to justify unethical means.
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When American education gets to be properly financed by the public purse the benefits will escalate exponentially, and Americans will be able to discriminate.

It was a clever strategy to keep the electorate ignorant so as to benefit their rulers.

Churches are only as good as the people in them. The only safe guidance if I may call it guidance is the transcendental values of goodness, truth, and beauty.
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I agree, Christianity in the states would draw little flax, if it keeps to the spiritual domain. The problem is it is profoundly political, and moronically so.
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Belindi wrote: February 9th, 2021, 6:37 am When American education gets to be properly financed by the public purse the benefits will escalate exponentially, and Americans will be able to discriminate.

It was a clever strategy to keep the electorate ignorant so as to benefit their rulers.

Churches are only as good as the people in them. The only safe guidance if I may call it guidance is the transcendental values of goodness, truth, and beauty.
popeye1945 wrote: February 9th, 2021, 4:38 pm I agree, Christianity in the states would draw little flax, if it keeps to the spiritual domain. The problem is it is profoundly political, and moronically so.
Political types have taken over the leadership of evangelical churches. The "moronic" aspects always appear when there's significant gaslighting and manipulation. The absurdities these flimflam artists can get their people to believe seem to have no limit. After all, in their ranks are those who believe in geocentrism, that the Moon landing was fake, that angels and demons are real, that evolution is false, that embryos feel as much as any adult human, that cutting welfare and education does not result in societal dysfunction, that Dominion voting machines were rigged, that Hilary Clinton eats children, that Obama is a Muslim ...

Ultimately, they seem to have two aims - to outlaw abortion and LGBTQ behaviours. Somehow they have been lead to believe that these are the Bible's key points.
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Greta, Simply priceless! Right on the money!!!
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popeye1945 wrote: February 10th, 2021, 7:15 am Greta, Simply priceless! Right on the money!!!
Glad it resonated, Popeye. It was ultimate a brief observation of the "bread and circuses" strategy used by power-players to distract and divide. While people are distracted and arguing over trivial nonsense, corruption goes unnoticed and unchallenged.
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