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LuckyR wrote: December 20th, 2020, 3:40 am
Marvin_Edwards wrote: December 18th, 2020, 8:56 pm Under the circumstances,
1. Marion acted morally under that most challenging circumstances so she's at the top of the list.
2. Little John comes next as he recognizes that Marion acted morally and comes to her aid after Robin rejects her.
3. Robin turns out to be a jerk, worried more about his own reputation than Marion's sacrifice.
4. The Sheriff of Nottingham is simply an evil man in a position of power within an evil system that forces people to break the law to survive.
MM, LJ, RH, SN. Got it. Thanks for your brave answer. Alta turned to the answer page in the back of the magazine. Your "evaluation" is: Happy and well balanced. Some chivalty and/or high standards. 13% of the total answers.
We're talking about ethics/morality. There aren't correct or incorrect answers.
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Terrapin Station wrote: December 20th, 2020, 10:03 amWe're talking about ethics/morality. There aren't correct or incorrect answers.
Tell that to a judge.
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baker wrote: December 20th, 2020, 11:05 am
Terrapin Station wrote: December 20th, 2020, 10:03 amWe're talking about ethics/morality. There aren't correct or incorrect answers.
Tell that to a judge.
What any judge will tell you, in their professional capacity, is that they're not in the business of assessing morality. They're in the business of adjudicating the law.

At any rate, any one, including judges, who believes that there are correct/incorrect answers when it comes to ethics is simply wrong. It's not as if being a judge qualifies them for having inerrant opinions when it comes to ontology. Nothing qualifies anyone for that.
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Terrapin Station wrote: December 20th, 2020, 10:03 am
LuckyR wrote: December 20th, 2020, 3:40 am

MM, LJ, RH, SN. Got it. Thanks for your brave answer. Alta turned to the answer page in the back of the magazine. Your "evaluation" is: Happy and well balanced. Some chivalty and/or high standards. 13% of the total answers.
We're talking about ethics/morality. There aren't correct or incorrect answers.
Right! 13% is the frequency of folks who answer that way.
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Terrapin Station wrote: December 20th, 2020, 5:02 pmAt any rate, any one, including judges, who believes that there are correct/incorrect answers when it comes to ethics is simply wrong. It's not as if being a judge qualifies them for having inerrant opinions when it comes to ontology.

Nothing qualifies anyone for that.
Power does.
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LuckyR wrote:Sounds good, what's the order?
OK. Well, first I agree with others who have said that it depends very much on details that haven't been given etc. But I guess we can assume that the details, as far as possible, can be taken from the actual story of Robin Hood, and that the Sheriff of Nottingham is therefore a "baddy" and has imprisoned RH and LJ for entirely selfish reasons when all they wanted' to do was run around in tights helping people, slapping their thighs and buckling their swashes. In that case, I go with (in order from baddiness to goodiness):

SN
RH
LJ
MM

I'd put SN and RH at almost the same level of baddiness and LJ and MM at roughly the same level of goodiness.
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Obviously my answer there tends to reflect the moral positions I take partly due to the cultural norms of the 21st Century society in which I live. If I'd lived in a different age, with different norms, the order might conceivably have been the exact opposite of the one I gave.
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Well there you are!!!

10 different contributors and more than 10 answers.

So much for objective morality.

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baker wrote: December 21st, 2020, 5:30 am
Terrapin Station wrote: December 20th, 2020, 5:02 pmAt any rate, any one, including judges, who believes that there are correct/incorrect answers when it comes to ethics is simply wrong. It's not as if being a judge qualifies them for having inerrant opinions when it comes to ontology.

Nothing qualifies anyone for that.
Power does.
"Power" results in having ontological views that can't be wrong? How would that work?
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LuckyR wrote: December 20th, 2020, 3:40 am
Marvin_Edwards wrote: December 18th, 2020, 8:56 pm Under the circumstances,
1. Marion acted morally under that most challenging circumstances so she's at the top of the list.
2. Little John comes next as he recognizes that Marion acted morally and comes to her aid after Robin rejects her.
3. Robin turns out to be a jerk, worried more about his own reputation than Marion's sacrifice.
4. The Sheriff of Nottingham is simply an evil man in a position of power within an evil system that forces people to break the law to survive.
MM, LJ, RH, SN. Got it. Thanks for your brave answer. Alta turned to the answer page in the back of the magazine. Your "evaluation" is: Happy and well balanced. Some chivalty and/or high standards. 13% of the total answers.
I dispute this. I originally chose that order for roughly the same reasons as Marvin. However, while I am not unhappy and unbalanced, no one I know would describe me as "happy and well-balanced" - more likely weird and reclusive :)

I didn't answer conventionally that way because we only assume that Robin and LJ are in prison for redistributing Nottingham's wealth. As we know, they may well have been locked up for stealing children's vital fluids to create life-extending elixirs ...
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LuckyR wrote: December 17th, 2020, 2:07 pm Now in terms of realistic everyday standards of behavior, put Robin, Marion, Little John, and the Sheriff in the order in which you consider they showed the most morality.
Judging morality is like judging beauty. Subjective judgement may reveal more about the judge than the judged (and an analysis of a judgement may reveal more about the psychologist than the judge, especially if reasons for judgement are not given).

There are different versions of this story out there.

This version appears to be the same as on Talisman and some other websites, except that "and honesty" is omitted at the end. This omission is significant. This may lead to different answers and may require different analysis. Even though honesty may just be viewed as one aspect of morality, "most morality and honesty" prompts the reader to give more weight to honesty than "most morality".

If honesty is considered on its own, is there anything in the story to suggest that any of the characters were dishonest? The Sheriff kept his word and released the prisoners. Marion confessed the truth, although her professed love for Robin may be questionable. Robin may have honestly felt that he never wanted to see Marion again - only he can know how he truly feels - but he is not in a position to know that he will always feel way. Likewise, Little John may honestly want to devote the rest of his life to Marion (only he can know) but he is not in a position to know he will keep his promise.

How to rank honesty, especially comparing telling the whole truth and telling nothing but the truth? If someone has 5 truths then what is more honest: revealing 3 truths and one falsehood; or just revealing one truth and no falsehoods? Does it depend on how difficult it is to reveal each truth?

How to rank "morality and honesty" or just "morality"? Each person who provides a ranking must apply some kind of method (which may be subconscious to some extent) to return this ranking. Different rankings suggest that people apply different methods.
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Steve3007 wrote: December 21st, 2020, 7:41 am
LuckyR wrote:Sounds good, what's the order?
OK. Well, first I agree with others who have said that it depends very much on details that haven't been given etc. But I guess we can assume that the details, as far as possible, can be taken from the actual story of Robin Hood, and that the Sheriff of Nottingham is therefore a "baddy" and has imprisoned RH and LJ for entirely selfish reasons when all they wanted' to do was run around in tights helping people, slapping their thighs and buckling their swashes. In that case, I go with (in order from baddiness to goodiness):

SN
RH
LJ
MM

I'd put SN and RH at almost the same level of baddiness and LJ and MM at roughly the same level of goodiness.
MM, LJ, RH, SN. Got it. Magic 8 ball says: Happy and well balanced. Some chivalry and/or high standards.
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Greta wrote: December 21st, 2020, 7:58 pm
LuckyR wrote: December 20th, 2020, 3:40 am

MM, LJ, RH, SN. Got it. Thanks for your brave answer. Alta turned to the answer page in the back of the magazine. Your "evaluation" is: Happy and well balanced. Some chivalty and/or high standards. 13% of the total answers.
I dispute this. I originally chose that order for roughly the same reasons as Marvin. However, while I am not unhappy and unbalanced, no one I know would describe me as "happy and well-balanced" - more likely weird and reclusive :)

I didn't answer conventionally that way because we only assume that Robin and LJ are in prison for redistributing Nottingham's wealth. As we know, they may well have been locked up for stealing children's vital fluids to create life-extending elixirs ...
This is the opinion of a marriage counselor so applies to relationships (if that helps).
"As usual... it depends."
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-0+ wrote: December 21st, 2020, 8:06 pm
LuckyR wrote: December 17th, 2020, 2:07 pm Now in terms of realistic everyday standards of behavior, put Robin, Marion, Little John, and the Sheriff in the order in which you consider they showed the most morality.
Judging morality is like judging beauty. Subjective judgement may reveal more about the judge than the judged (and an analysis of a judgement may reveal more about the psychologist than the judge, especially if reasons for judgement are not given).

There are different versions of this story out there.

This version appears to be the same as on Talisman and some other websites, except that "and honesty" is omitted at the end. This omission is significant. This may lead to different answers and may require different analysis. Even though honesty may just be viewed as one aspect of morality, "most morality and honesty" prompts the reader to give more weight to honesty than "most morality".

If honesty is considered on its own, is there anything in the story to suggest that any of the characters were dishonest? The Sheriff kept his word and released the prisoners. Marion confessed the truth, although her professed love for Robin may be questionable. Robin may have honestly felt that he never wanted to see Marion again - only he can know how he truly feels - but he is not in a position to know that he will always feel way. Likewise, Little John may honestly want to devote the rest of his life to Marion (only he can know) but he is not in a position to know he will keep his promise.

How to rank honesty, especially comparing telling the whole truth and telling nothing but the truth? If someone has 5 truths then what is more honest: revealing 3 truths and one falsehood; or just revealing one truth and no falsehoods? Does it depend on how difficult it is to reveal each truth?

How to rank "morality and honesty" or just "morality"? Each person who provides a ranking must apply some kind of method (which may be subconscious to some extent) to return this ranking. Different rankings suggest that people apply different methods.
Exactly. This isn't about fictional characters. Many miss that.
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It's probably not a good idea to name characters in the scenario after Robin Hood characters if we want people to not fill in any missing information with what they already know of Robin Hood stories.
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