The question that drives me crazy

[Belindi]

Feeling angry is not the same as believing vendetta to be good. Revenge, such as Hell is reckoned to be, is ineffective for reconciliation and is an ancient form of justice based on vendetta. However genuine feelings of anger are prerequisite for reconciliation.

The holocaust memorial seeks no reconciliation. So where India has moved on from the killing of 3 million in 1943 through stealing their food, Israel continues to use the holocaust as an exception to justify their own oppression of Palestine.

There's the perennial problem with museums that as repositories of memories the artefacts therein have halos of deadness. By contrast , any man's living anger is real and in the present.

The Israelis do justify their tyranny by posing as victims. Jews historically are victims. Their justification for tyrannising Palestinians depends on the Zionist fallacy.

There is a lot to be said for the idea that the Ashkenazi are not even from Palestine/Judea/Israel but all come from Khazaria, and would explain their fair complexion.
In any event Zionism was encouraged not only by Jews looking for a "homeland" but by anti semitic elements wishing to rid their locales of Jews . I think Balfour may well fit this category, as well as Sykes and Pichot.
When all this was "decided" 100 years ago and more no one thought to ask the people who were actually living in that homeland and the degree of imperialist arrogance prevented anyone even thinking it would be relevant to do so.
Now we live in a different world where old British farts are no longer in control of the world, but they still think they ought to be.

What is to become of Israel is anyone's guess. I predict a thousand years of conflict which the Jews cannot ultimately win. As there are more Jews in the USA than in Israel this conflict is not about to abate, or be reconcilled.

Is it true that many if not most American Jews are Zionist?

[Sculptor1]

The holocaust memorial seeks no reconciliation. So where India has moved on from the killing of 3 million in 1943 through stealing their food, Israel continues to use the holocaust as an exception to justify their own oppression of Palestine.

There's the perennial problem with museums that as repositories of memories the artefacts therein have halos of deadness. By contrast , any man's living anger is real and in the present.

The Israelis do justify their tyranny by posing as victims. Jews historically are victims. Their justification for tyrannising Palestinians depends on the Zionist fallacy.

There is a lot to be said for the idea that the Ashkenazi are not even from Palestine/Judea/Israel but all come from Khazaria, and would explain their fair complexion.
In any event Zionism was encouraged not only by Jews looking for a "homeland" but by anti semitic elements wishing to rid their locales of Jews . I think Balfour may well fit this category, as well as Sykes and Pichot.
When all this was "decided" 100 years ago and more no one thought to ask the people who were actually living in that homeland and the degree of imperialist arrogance prevented anyone even thinking it would be relevant to do so.
Now we live in a different world where old British farts are no longer in control of the world, but they still think they ought to be.

What is to become of Israel is anyone's guess. I predict a thousand years of conflict which the Jews cannot ultimately win. As there are more Jews in the USA than in Israel this conflict is not about to abate, or be reconcilled.

Is it true that many if not most American Jews are Zionist?

I cannot say, but I've met a few and I've never met one who was able to challenge the Zionist ideal.

[Sculptor1]

The holocaust memorial seeks no reconciliation. So where India has moved on from the killing of 3 million in 1943 through stealing their food, Israel continues to use the holocaust as an exception to justify their own oppression of Palestine.

There's the perennial problem with museums that as repositories of memories the artefacts therein have halos of deadness. By contrast , any man's living anger is real and in the present.

The Israelis do justify their tyranny by posing as victims. Jews historically are victims. Their justification for tyrannising Palestinians depends on the Zionist fallacy.

There is a lot to be said for the idea that the Ashkenazi are not even from Palestine/Judea/Israel but all come from Khazaria, and would explain their fair complexion.
In any event Zionism was encouraged not only by Jews looking for a "homeland" but by anti semitic elements wishing to rid their locales of Jews . I think Balfour may well fit this category, as well as Sykes and Pichot.
When all this was "decided" 100 years ago and more no one thought to ask the people who were actually living in that homeland and the degree of imperialist arrogance prevented anyone even thinking it would be relevant to do so.
Now we live in a different world where old British farts are no longer in control of the world, but they still think they ought to be.

What is to become of Israel is anyone's guess. I predict a thousand years of conflict which the Jews cannot ultimately win. As there are more Jews in the USA than in Israel this conflict is not about to abate, or be reconcilled.

Is it true that many if not most American Jews are Zionist?

PS.
My experience has been to be immediately accused of antisemitism the moment I so much as question something done by Israel.

[Belindi]

There's the perennial problem with museums that as repositories of memories the artefacts therein have halos of deadness. By contrast , any man's living anger is real and in the present.

The Israelis do justify their tyranny by posing as victims. Jews historically are victims. Their justification for tyrannising Palestinians depends on the Zionist fallacy.

There is a lot to be said for the idea that the Ashkenazi are not even from Palestine/Judea/Israel but all come from Khazaria, and would explain their fair complexion.
In any event Zionism was encouraged not only by Jews looking for a "homeland" but by anti semitic elements wishing to rid their locales of Jews . I think Balfour may well fit this category, as well as Sykes and Pichot.
When all this was "decided" 100 years ago and more no one thought to ask the people who were actually living in that homeland and the degree of imperialist arrogance prevented anyone even thinking it would be relevant to do so.
Now we live in a different world where old British farts are no longer in control of the world, but they still think they ought to be.

What is to become of Israel is anyone's guess. I predict a thousand years of conflict which the Jews cannot ultimately win. As there are more Jews in the USA than in Israel this conflict is not about to abate, or be reconcilled.

Is it true that many if not most American Jews are Zionist?

PS.
My experience has been to be immediately accused of antisemitism the moment I so much as question something done by Israel.

This certainly is a problem, and one that Zionists may use to their advantage. Jeremy Corbyn, one of the most morally upright of politicians , was so accused. The problem is most people think Zionism defines Judaism, unaware that Zionism is and always was political.

I am afraid some Christian hymns support the Zionist myth.

If you don't already have a copy I recommend Children of a Lesser God? by Afif Safieh. I see Abe Books have 6 copies of the booklet. He has other bigger books still in publication.

[Sculptor1]

There is a lot to be said for the idea that the Ashkenazi are not even from Palestine/Judea/Israel but all come from Khazaria, and would explain their fair complexion.
In any event Zionism was encouraged not only by Jews looking for a "homeland" but by anti semitic elements wishing to rid their locales of Jews . I think Balfour may well fit this category, as well as Sykes and Pichot.
When all this was "decided" 100 years ago and more no one thought to ask the people who were actually living in that homeland and the degree of imperialist arrogance prevented anyone even thinking it would be relevant to do so.
Now we live in a different world where old British farts are no longer in control of the world, but they still think they ought to be.

What is to become of Israel is anyone's guess. I predict a thousand years of conflict which the Jews cannot ultimately win. As there are more Jews in the USA than in Israel this conflict is not about to abate, or be reconcilled.

Is it true that many if not most American Jews are Zionist?

PS.
My experience has been to be immediately accused of antisemitism the moment I so much as question something done by Israel.

This certainly is a problem, and one that Zionists may use to their advantage. Jeremy Corbyn, one of the most morally upright of politicians , was so accused. The problem is most people think Zionism defines Judaism, unaware that Zionism is and always was political.

I am afraid some Christian hymns support the Zionist myth.

If you don't already have a copy I recommend Children of a Lesser God? by Afif Safieh. I see Abe Books have 6 copies of the booklet. He has other bigger books still in publication.

Indeed.
Here is Emily Maitlis being IMPARTIAL...

[Ecurb]

Is it true that many if not most American Jews are Zionist?

Many are, but very many are not, and some protest Israeli policies. In the 1940s (when Israel was founded) Hassidic Orthodox Jews were virulently anti-Zionist, believing that the Zionists were too "secular", and that Israel should not be re-establshed until the Second Coming. (I get this, and most of my other historical information, from novels. This is from "The Chosen" by Chaim Potok.)

[EricPH]

My experience has been to be immediately accused of antisemitism the moment I so much as question something done by Israel.

It seems the Jews have become very much like the people they feared and hated the most. Our Jewish guide took us to the Holocaust Memorial Museum near Jerusalem, I refused to go in with our group. When the guide came out, we walked along a path of trees. Each tree had a plaque with the name of someone who helped the Jews at the time of the Holocaust.

I said to her, the most important row of trees is missing. It's the one that has the names of people who are helping the oppressed Palestinians in their Jewish made ghettos. We drove past a number of bulldozed Palestinian houses in Jerusalem. You could see furniture and household goods amongst the rubble. It seemed like they were not given enough notice to take their possessions before their family homes were destroyed.

[Sculptor1]

My experience has been to be immediately accused of antisemitism the moment I so much as question something done by Israel.

It seems the Jews have become very much like the people they feared and hated the most. Our Jewish guide took us to the Holocaust Memorial Museum near Jerusalem, I refused to go in with our group. When the guide came out, we walked along a path of trees. Each tree had a plaque with the name of someone who helped the Jews at the time of the Holocaust.

I said to her, the most important row of trees is missing. It's the one that has the names of people who are helping the oppressed Palestinians in their Jewish made ghettos. We drove past a number of bulldozed Palestinian houses in Jerusalem. You could see furniture and household goods amongst the rubble. It seemed like they were not given enough notice to take their possessions before their family homes were destroyed.

This sort of story is why I despair about the human species.
But then I know Jews that live in the UK are in favour of Palestinian rights in a big way. Many of them have been recently thrown out of the Labour party for... guess what? "Antisemitism".

Antisemite used to be a word for people who did not like Jews.
Now it is a word used for people who Jews do not like.

[Belindi]

I am sure there are different sorts of Israelis. Some are not fascists at all and are intelligent and liberal people who are cursed with bad regimes. Settlers are not very nice people when they buy stolen farm land for their houses.

[Sculptor1]

I am sure there are different sorts of Israelis. Some are not fascists at all and are intelligent and liberal people who are cursed with bad regimes. Settlers are not very nice people when they buy stolen farm land for their houses.

There is a difference between "Israel" , an "Israeli" and a "Jew". Sadly the three are conflated for political ends.
And there are too many interested parties who turn a blind eye to such distinctions.