is suicide unethical if a Trump runs for election again?

[ernestm]

I could share a link to my blog on it, but the fact is, the Arctic Sea Ice is expected to completely melt away in 2035 unless drastic measures are taken to reduce global warming beforehand. However given the current state of the market, Biden is likely to be blamed for an economic downturn and the Trump dynasty is likely to pop another one in the White House, probably Donald Trump Jr. at this point. Frankly even listening to a year of people arguing about economics versus planetary health is so unappealing I would just stop taking my heart medication and not call an ambulance when I have another heart attack. I can't bear the thought of listening to Nero's fiddling anymore in this country. My alternative would be committing some kind of severe trauma to my brain on purpose. But before getting to that, I think it might be work asking people here if suicide is ethical in such a situation, because I can't think I am alone in this reaction.

[LuckyR]

I could share a link to my blog on it, but the fact is, the Arctic Sea Ice is expected to completely melt away in 2035 unless drastic measures are taken to reduce global warming beforehand. However given the current state of the market, Biden is likely to be blamed for an economic downturn and the Trump dynasty is likely to pop another one in the White House, probably Donald Trump Jr. at this point. Frankly even listening to a year of people arguing about economics versus planetary health is so unappealing I would just stop taking my heart medication and not call an ambulance when I have another heart attack. I can't bear the thought of listening to Nero's fiddling anymore in this country. My alternative would be committing some kind of severe trauma to my brain on purpose. But before getting to that, I think it might be work asking people here if suicide is ethical in such a situation, because I can't think I am alone in this reaction.

"runs"? It is a completely ridiculous idea. I believe you are actually referring to "wins". I see your point, but worst case scenario depending on your focus, what you see can be beautiful or disaster. I plan to focus on the beauty I can appreciate rather than the disaster that I can't influence.

[ernestm]

No I mean 'runs.' The fact is, if the Arctic Sea Ice melts completely away 1n 2035 as expected from current observations, all the world's ocean currents will change completely, and there will be hurricanes, droughts, and extreme weather shifts of a magnitude not seen since the last extinction event. While you might consider that beautiful, the mere thought of living on the same planet with the lack of regard for the billions of lives at stake is to me repugnant. Of course I now expect you to deride me and tell me you'd rather I'm dead anyway, as I don't agree with you. But really Im not interested int that at all. I wanted a discussion on the ethics of suicide in the face of mob insanity. Thank you.

[LuckyR]

No I mean 'runs.' The fact is, if the Arctic Sea Ice melts completely away 1n 2035 as expected from current observations, all the world's ocean currents will change completely, and there will be hurricanes, droughts, and extreme weather shifts of a magnitude not seen since the last extinction event. While you might consider that beautiful, the mere thought of living on the same planet with the lack of regard for the billions of lives at stake is to me repugnant. Of course I now expect you to deride me and tell me you'd rather I'm dead anyway, as I don't agree with you. But really Im not interested int that at all. I wanted a discussion on the ethics of suicide in the face of mob insanity. Thank you.

Sorry to disappoint you but I am not interested in your demise, in fact I advocated the opposite.

I am unaware of a single episode of suicide specifically for the reason of mob insanity (of people not including the victim). Therefore while you are free to follow the path of your choice, I am having a difficult time following your train of logic from Don Jr running for office and your death.

[ernestm]

Oh. Well, I have no surviving relatives, nor children, and my health limits my functionality severely. I cannot fly in planes or go underwater. I sat philosophy at Oxford and after retiring from silicon valley I was going to sit a PhD in the philosophy of science. But covid shut the program down. So I decided, given the health of coral reefs to sponsor their restoration instead with the funds I was going to allocate to the unnececessary personal pursuit of a PhD. And I am frequently in pain.

So my personal background actually gives me no personal reasons to continue, and meanwhile, those who consider their fiscal well being more important than the rest of the planet continue on insane parades of flag waving because they can shoot guns and kill people. In any normal society, having to shoot anyone would be a shameful last resort unless a person is too physically handicapped to protect themselves otherwise with non lethal weapons. But given the callous disregard for the value of life I find I can no longer regard them as members of the human race. Notwithstanding they perpetuate their existence with far more vociferous hatred than I can avoid.

[Alias]

Suicide is unethical if it hurts somebody who doesn't deserve to be hurt. Even then, it's a matter of degree: how much more would they hurt from your death than from your continued life?
If life is unbearable, for whatever reason, leaving it is a good idea, and entirely within your moral right to choose.

[LuckyR]

Oh. Well, I have no surviving relatives, nor children, and my health limits my functionality severely. I cannot fly in planes or go underwater. I sat philosophy at Oxford and after retiring from silicon valley I was going to sit a PhD in the philosophy of science. But covid shut the program down. So I decided, given the health of coral reefs to sponsor their restoration instead with the funds I was going to allocate to the unnececessary personal pursuit of a PhD. And I am frequently in pain.

So my personal background actually gives me no personal reasons to continue, and meanwhile, those who consider their fiscal well being more important than the rest of the planet continue on insane parades of flag waving because they can shoot guns and kill people. In any normal society, having to shoot anyone would be a shameful last resort unless a person is too physically handicapped to protect themselves otherwise with non lethal weapons. But given the callous disregard for the value of life I find I can no longer regard them as members of the human race. Notwithstanding they perpetuate their existence with far more vociferous hatred than I can avoid.

What I am perceiving is loneliness, poor health, excruciating symptoms and depression brought about by admittedly depressing news of the world. Of these, the loneliness and depression are likely reversible/treatable, the rest less so. Suicide is not unreasonable for the health coupled with the symptoms by my (and I guess your) moral codes. Ethical standards of suicide vary from location to location, but where I live would be ethical if the depression was addressed.

I can say all of this right now, without knowing the plans of the Trump crime family.

Good luck to you.

[Sculptor1]

I could share a link to my blog on it, but the fact is, the Arctic Sea Ice is expected to completely melt away in 2035 unless drastic measures are taken to reduce global warming beforehand. However given the current state of the market, Biden is likely to be blamed for an economic downturn and the Trump dynasty is likely to pop another one in the White House, probably Donald Trump Jr. at this point. Frankly even listening to a year of people arguing about economics versus planetary health is so unappealing I would just stop taking my heart medication and not call an ambulance when I have another heart attack. I can't bear the thought of listening to Nero's fiddling anymore in this country. My alternative would be committing some kind of severe trauma to my brain on purpose. But before getting to that, I think it might be work asking people here if suicide is ethical in such a situation, because I can't think I am alone in this reaction.

Suicide is unethical if Trump stands for office again. But it is perfectly ethical were Trump to ever again succeed.

If Trump stands it is your ethical duty to convinve all you can to vote otherwise.

[Pattern-chaser]

I wanted a discussion on the ethics of suicide in the face of mob insanity.

I see no connection with ethics here at all. We might discuss the ethics of those whose behaviour upsets you so much, but your suggested response to it is a personal choice, not an ethical one, IMO.

Mob insanity, and our global race to achieve destruction, is more than worrying. But your topic title does not seem to ask for us to discuss this...?

[ernestm]

What I am perceiving is loneliness, poor health, excruciating symptoms and depression brought about by admittedly depressing news of the world. Of these,

Well lol that's a totally useless statement that has nothing to do with ethics. I find Schopenhauer's justification reasonable. I would guess from what you've written you know nothing about it at all.

[ernestm]

Suicide is unethical if Trump stands for office again. But it is perfectly ethical were Trump to ever again succeed.

If Trump stands it is your ethical duty to convinve all you can to vote otherwise.

Well I was worried someone was going to say that, because now I have to state, frankly, my vote makes no difference. it's been gerrymandered to hell, and a President should in all rational scenarios be elected by a popular vote. I am not the only person and my state is not the only state where it makes no difference whatsoever what I vote. Sigh.

[ernestm]

Mob insanity, and our global race to achieve destruction, is more than worrying. But your topic title does not seem to ask for us to discuss this...?

Well again I have to point to Schopenhauer's paper on suicide, which in a nutshell states that the nature of human desire for power, and the grounds on which it is granted, makes continued existence irrational. Thats a vast simplification and assumes you also know the rest of Schopenhauer's metaphysics, but in a nutshell, that's what he says.

[Sculptor1]

Suicide is unethical if Trump stands for office again. But it is perfectly ethical were Trump to ever again succeed.

If Trump stands it is your ethical duty to convinve all you can to vote otherwise.

Well I was worried someone was going to say that, because now I have to state, frankly, my vote makes no difference. it's been gerrymandered to hell, and a President should in all rational scenarios be elected by a popular vote. I am not the only person and my state is not the only state where it makes no difference whatsoever what I vote. Sigh.

You've not heard of social media as a tool to influence other people? How do you think Trump won in the first place?

[LuckyR]

What I am perceiving is loneliness, poor health, excruciating symptoms and depression brought about by admittedly depressing news of the world. Of these,

Well lol that's a totally useless statement that has nothing to do with ethics. I find Schopenhauer's justification reasonable. I would guess from what you've written you know nothing about it at all.

Very true and based on your following synopsis of it, I'm better off for not knowing. If I have summarized your brief description incorrectly, please provide clearer information (it's your thread, after all).

[Tegularius]

What I am perceiving is loneliness, poor health, excruciating symptoms and depression brought about by admittedly depressing news of the world. Of these,

Well lol that's a totally useless statement that has nothing to do with ethics. I find Schopenhauer's justification reasonable. I would guess from what you've written you know nothing about it at all.

I wouldn't find anyone's justification reasonable except my own...even if not reasonable, just reasonable enough to perform the deed. It's main advantage, there are never any regrets to follow as in "oops, I shouldn't have done that"!

I'm also a little suspicious of a pessimist philosopher - who isn't wrong in being pessimistic - espousing suicide while eating in the best restaurants.