Yes, although, given the control over our planetary environment is so far-reaching, it might also be useful to speak/think of humans as 'stewards' (care-takers) of the land? But not owners, as you say.
Animal Rights (Chile)
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Sure there are similarities. But there are also differences, and those differences might be decisive when devising moral principles and making moral judgments concerning human-animal relationships.LuckyR wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 2:32 am
Perhaps I confused you. I'm not saying that the master/slave relationship is identical to the masyer/pet relationship, in the sense that pets are equal to humans.
I'm saying that there are similarities between the two, animals being equal to humans not being among them.
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The two relationships are not mutually exclusive; we are both. Ownership primarily involves one's relationship to land with respect to other contemporary humans; stewardship one's relationship to the land itself, to the larger natural environment, and their continuing viability. The land, of course, will be here long after any particular owner has gone. So we have both property laws and environmental laws --- Alfie can forbid Bruno from trespassing upon his land, but he in turn is forbidden to use the land in ways that cause environmental harms.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 9:35 amYes, although, given the control over our planetary environment is so far-reaching, it might also be useful to speak/think of humans as 'stewards' (care-takers) of the land? But not owners, as you say.
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As part of the land, it's in our interests to keep it healthy.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 9:35 amYes, although, given the control over our planetary environment is so far-reaching, it might also be useful to speak/think of humans as 'stewards' (care-takers) of the land? But not owners, as you say. 👍
However, many anthropocentric beasts see themselves as above and beyond the land that exuded them, and treat it all as just resource - an object rather than a subject. It's as though they are trying to create separate worlds for themselves that are ever more insulated from everything else. Trouble is, many others rather like everything else, even if it's sometimes dirty or dangerous.
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I agree. And in actual fact when I used to listen to sermons until about 2002 ministers preached stewardship not ownership.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 9:35 amYes, although, given the control over our planetary environment is so far-reaching, it might also be useful to speak/think of humans as 'stewards' (care-takers) of the land? But not owners, as you say.
However people who own and use grouse moors or golf courses would claim they were good stewards. Morality reduces to politics.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 9:35 am Yes, although, given the control over our planetary environment is so far-reaching, it might also be useful to speak/think of humans as 'stewards' (care-takers) of the land? But not owners, as you say.
And politics reduces to euphemisms and lies.
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Not when you and I behave politically!Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑September 4th, 2022, 6:58 amPattern-chaser wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 9:35 am Yes, although, given the control over our planetary environment is so far-reaching, it might also be useful to speak/think of humans as 'stewards' (care-takers) of the land? But not owners, as you say.And politics reduces to euphemisms and lies.
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