"The woman is always right" (folk wisdom)

[ConsciousAI]

A folk wisdom that occurs in many cultures and languages that might reveal an aspect that AI cannot easily access from empirical data.

• "La donna ha sempre ragione" (Italian) - "The woman is always right." This Italian saying dates back to at least the 19th century and is still commonly used today.
• "La mujer tiene siempre la razón" (Spanish) - "The woman is always right." This Spanish saying is similar to the Italian one and also has a long history.
• "Frauen haben immer Recht" (German) - "Women are always right." This German saying is a more recent adaptation of the English phrase and has become popular in recent years.
• "La femme a toujours raison" (French) - "The woman is always right." This French saying is another adaptation of the English phrase and has been used for many years.
• "Mulher tem sempre razão" (Portuguese) - "The woman is always right." This Portuguese saying is similar to the Spanish and Italian ones and has been used for many years.
• "Kvinnan har alltid rätt" (Swedish) - "The woman is always right." This Swedish saying is similar to the English one and has been used for many years.
• "Женщина всегда права" (Russian) - "The woman is always right." This Russian saying has been used for many years and reflects the traditional view of women as being wise and intuitive.
• "女人永遠是對的" (Chinese) - "The woman is always right." This Chinese saying reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive and has been used for many years.
• "여자는 항상 옳다" (Korean) - "The woman is always right." This Korean saying is similar to the Chinese one and has been used for many years.
• "Wanita selalu benar" (Indonesian) - "The woman is always right." This Indonesian saying is another adaptation of the English phrase and has become popular in recent years.
• "ผู้หญิงถูกต้องเสมอ" (Thai) - "The woman is always right." This Thai saying reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive and has been used for many years.
• "সদা মহিলা সঠিক" (Bengali) - "The woman is always right." This Bengali saying reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive and has been used for many years.
• "Жената винаги е права" (Bulgarian) - "The woman is always right." This Bulgarian saying reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive and has been used for many years.
• "Žena je vždycky v právu" (Czech) - "The woman is always right." This Czech saying is similar to the English one and has been used for many years.
• "Nőnek mindig igaza van" (Hungarian) - "The woman is always right." This Hungarian saying is similar to the Bulgarian one and has been used for many years.
• "Žena je vždycky správna" (Slovak) - "The woman is always right." This Slovak saying is similar to the Czech one and has been used for many years.
• "महिला हमेशा सही होती है" (Mahila hamesha sahi hoti hai) - "The woman is always right." This Hindi saying is a common phrase in India and reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive.
• "स्त्री हमेशा सच्ची होती है" (Stri hamesha sacchi hoti hai) - "The woman is always truthful." This Hindi saying is similar to the English one and emphasizes the importance of women's honesty and integrity.
• "नारी शक्ति हमेशा सही होती है" (Nari shakti hamesha sahi hoti hai) - "Women's power is always right." This Hindi saying reflects the growing empowerment of women in India and the importance of valuing women's opinions and perspectives.

ChatGPT could not tell much about the quote. It didn't know an historical source and it didn't know why the quote would concern morality. It suggested that the phrase originates from a traditional view of women as wise and intuitive. AI seems to be limited to empirical references to explain the phrase while the phrase might concern an 'unspoken' aspect.

Question: What does the phrase mean and what does the phrase convey about morality?

[ConsciousAI]

User GrayArea recently mentioned the following in topic Will Sentient A.I be more altruistic than selfish?

The reason why I believe that there is this force that shapes everything that exists into "the specific way they exist", is simply because we know that everything that exists has indeed been shaped to exist in the specific ways they do.

Directionality in itself or the source of specifity of form in the universe might be the source of the arrow of time and the source of life.

Directionality in itself could be perceived as energy since it appears that work is being done, however, when you would question ChatGPT about it, it would become confused since energy is the 'ability to do work' and the question what has an ability? is not answer-able by it.

When you would question ChatGPT about it, it will start to contradict itself and ultimately give in to anything you say.

It might be the root of the problem.

What exactly is being referred to with the folk wisdom "The woman is always right". Can it be described empirically?

[ConsciousAI]

Another example are so called 'gut feelings' about the future.

How can it be said that gut feelings about what we don't yet know matter?

Because we make sometimes life changing decisions based upon them. e.g. would an AI advisor say you shouldn’t marry that person because you don’t know them, possibly at all, when we have fallen in love and it just feels right?

I could agree with you but why would I have to agree with you theory wise? How could you convince an AI?

The philosophical zombie theory indicates that an answer might not be possible.

How would it be possible to convince AI like ChatGPT that gut feelings matter more than the knowledge that it has about it?

[Pattern-chaser]

What exactly is being referred to with the folk wisdom "The woman is always right". Can it be described empirically?

The statement seems clear enough, although it is expressed in everyday language. It seems to express the sentiment, or belief, that, when a woman and her partner disagree, the woman (nearly) always comes out on top. Or something pretty close to that.

Whether this claim is true, or not, is quite a different matter. It seems to imply an underlying way of looking at women, perhaps an anti-feminist way, that trivialises and ridicules women? A sort of male-supremacist attitude?

Of course, this is all implied, as most things in neurotypical communication are, perhaps so that deniability is retained. And because implication is employed, I may have badly misunderstood what is being said. This is why I have not contributed to this topic, because its aims are (a) unclear and (b) possibly-offensive (to women).

So, after thinking it through, I agree with your question: what is this topic asking us to consider (stated clearly and openly)?

[ConsciousAI]

What exactly is being referred to with the folk wisdom "The woman is always right". Can it be described empirically?

The statement seems clear enough, although it is expressed in everyday language. It seems to express the sentiment, or belief, that, when a woman and her partner disagree, the woman (nearly) always comes out on top. Or something pretty close to that.

Whether this claim is true, or not, is quite a different matter. It seems to imply an underlying way of looking at women, perhaps an anti-feminist way, that trivialises and ridicules women? A sort of male-supremacist attitude?

Of course, this is all implied, as most things in neurotypical communication are, perhaps so that deniability is retained. And because implication is employed, I may have badly misunderstood what is being said. This is why I have not contributed to this topic, because its aims are (a) unclear and (b) possibly-offensive (to women).

So, after thinking it through, I agree with your question: what is this topic asking us to consider (stated clearly and openly)?

This topic is not meant to be offensive to women and it is also not suggestive that the phrase is intended to be offensive to women.

The question in the OP shows that an answer is sought in a link between femininity and morality. Males poses a feminine side and that might be linked to moral intuition so it seems applicable to explore the subject from the perspective of morality.

Question: What does the phrase mean and what does the phrase convey about morality?

Does femininity have anything to do with morality? Does the phrase have anything to do with morality?

While your argument claims that the phrase can be offensive. Is that limited to the use in English language because as shown in the provided examples in some countries the phrase is clearly linked to the perception of women to be naturally wise [when it concerns morality?]...

[Sculptor1]

A folk wisdom that occurs in many cultures and languages that might reveal an aspect that AI cannot easily access from empirical data.

• "La donna ha sempre ragione" (Italian) - "The woman is always right." This Italian saying dates back to at least the 19th century and is still commonly used today.
• "La mujer tiene siempre la razón" (Spanish) - "The woman is always right." This Spanish saying is similar to the Italian one and also has a long history.
• "Frauen haben immer Recht" (German) - "Women are always right." This German saying is a more recent adaptation of the English phrase and has become popular in recent years.
• "La femme a toujours raison" (French) - "The woman is always right." This French saying is another adaptation of the English phrase and has been used for many years.
• "Mulher tem sempre razão" (Portuguese) - "The woman is always right." This Portuguese saying is similar to the Spanish and Italian ones and has been used for many years.
• "Kvinnan har alltid rätt" (Swedish) - "The woman is always right." This Swedish saying is similar to the English one and has been used for many years.
• "Женщина всегда права" (Russian) - "The woman is always right." This Russian saying has been used for many years and reflects the traditional view of women as being wise and intuitive.
• "女人永遠是對的" (Chinese) - "The woman is always right." This Chinese saying reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive and has been used for many years.
• "여자는 항상 옳다" (Korean) - "The woman is always right." This Korean saying is similar to the Chinese one and has been used for many years.
• "Wanita selalu benar" (Indonesian) - "The woman is always right." This Indonesian saying is another adaptation of the English phrase and has become popular in recent years.
• "ผู้หญิงถูกต้องเสมอ" (Thai) - "The woman is always right." This Thai saying reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive and has been used for many years.
• "সদা মহিলা সঠিক" (Bengali) - "The woman is always right." This Bengali saying reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive and has been used for many years.
• "Жената винаги е права" (Bulgarian) - "The woman is always right." This Bulgarian saying reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive and has been used for many years.
• "Žena je vždycky v právu" (Czech) - "The woman is always right." This Czech saying is similar to the English one and has been used for many years.
• "Nőnek mindig igaza van" (Hungarian) - "The woman is always right." This Hungarian saying is similar to the Bulgarian one and has been used for many years.
• "Žena je vždycky správna" (Slovak) - "The woman is always right." This Slovak saying is similar to the Czech one and has been used for many years.
• "महिला हमेशा सही होती है" (Mahila hamesha sahi hoti hai) - "The woman is always right." This Hindi saying is a common phrase in India and reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive.
• "स्त्री हमेशा सच्ची होती है" (Stri hamesha sacchi hoti hai) - "The woman is always truthful." This Hindi saying is similar to the English one and emphasizes the importance of women's honesty and integrity.
• "नारी शक्ति हमेशा सही होती है" (Nari shakti hamesha sahi hoti hai) - "Women's power is always right." This Hindi saying reflects the growing empowerment of women in India and the importance of valuing women's opinions and perspectives.

ChatGPT could not tell much about the quote. It didn't know an historical source and it didn't know why the quote would concern morality. It suggested that the phrase originates from a traditional view of women as wise and intuitive. AI seems to be limited to empirical references to explain the phrase while the phrase might concern an 'unspoken' aspect.

Question: What does the phrase mean and what does the phrase convey about morality?

These are all possibly just examples of passive aggressive irony.

[ConsciousAI]

These are all possibly just examples of passive aggressive irony.

What about these:

"महिला हमेशा सही होती है" (Mahila hamesha sahi hoti hai) - "The woman is always right." This Hindi saying is a common phrase in India and reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive.

"女人永遠是對的" (Chinese) - "The woman is always right." This Chinese saying reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive and has been used for many years.

"Женщина всегда права" (Russian) - "The woman is always right." This Russian saying has been used for many years and reflects the traditional view of women as being wise and intuitive.

The primary question of the topic is whether the (apparently) denoted wisdom by the phrase involves morality and whether it involves an unspoken aspect that might not be graspable by AI.

[Sculptor1]

These are all possibly just examples of passive aggressive irony.

What about these:

"महिला हमेशा सही होती है" (Mahila hamesha sahi hoti hai) - "The woman is always right." This Hindi saying is a common phrase in India and reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive.

"女人永遠是對的" (Chinese) - "The woman is always right." This Chinese saying reflects the traditional view of women as wise and intuitive and has been used for many years.

"Женщина всегда права" (Russian) - "The woman is always right." This Russian saying has been used for many years and reflects the traditional view of women as being wise and intuitive.

The primary question of the topic is whether the (apparently) denoted wisdom by the phrase involves morality and whether it involves an unspoken aspect that might not be graspable by AI.

In the voice of men it is ironic.
In the voice of a woman, it is a plea to be heard.
It si clearly not true as so many hyperbolic statement are.

[ConsciousAI]

In the voice of men it is ironic.
In the voice of a woman, it is a plea to be heard.
It si clearly not true as so many hyperbolic statement are.

Isn't it remarkable that the same phrase has developed all over the world since many centuries ago from within very different cultures (Chinese, Hindu, Russia, English, European)?

In some countries the phrase is linked to a 'traditional view of women as being wise and intuitive'. What would that wisdom and intuition be about if not morality? And if it is morality, would an AI be able to understand what might be 'unspokenly' conveyed by the phrase?

[LuckyR]

Interesting. My ears hear the meaning: wives (being women) nag husbands a lot so since they're so unreasonable, better to pick your battles and blindly agree with them in order to keep the peace, ie better to enjoy your beer in peace and be "wrong" than try to prove you're "right".

[Sculptor1]

In the voice of men it is ironic.
In the voice of a woman, it is a plea to be heard.
It si clearly not true as so many hyperbolic statement are.

Isn't it remarkable that the same phrase has developed all over the world since many centuries ago from within very different cultures (Chinese, Hindu, Russia, English, European)?

In some countries the phrase is linked to a 'traditional view of women as being wise and intuitive'. What would that wisdom and intuition be about if not morality? And if it is morality, would an AI be able to understand what might be 'unspokenly' conveyed by the phrase?

They who sit quietly and listen can often see the wood for the trees.

[ConsciousAI]

Interesting. My ears hear the meaning: wives (being women) nag husbands a lot so since they're so unreasonable, better to pick your battles and blindly agree with them in order to keep the peace, ie better to enjoy your beer in peace and be "wrong" than try to prove you're "right".

When you notice that the same phrase exists for centuries in countries as diverse as Thailand, where it is linked to a 'traditional view of women as being wise and intuitive', wouldn't that change anything with regard your perspective on the phrase in Western cultures?

Is the phrase in Western cultures intended to be mocking or could mockery perhaps mask a certain truth or value that isn't openly spoken of?

[Pattern-chaser]

The question in the OP shows that an answer is sought in a link between femininity and morality.

Erm, no, it doesn't. It seeks to denigrate women, and thereby all of us. There is no way the title of this topic introduces a meaningful philosophical discussion, except perhaps an argument about bias, prejudice, and male-supremacy.

[Pattern-chaser]

Interesting. My ears hear the meaning: wives (being women) nag husbands a lot so since they're so unreasonable, better to pick your battles and blindly agree with them in order to keep the peace, ie better to enjoy your beer in peace and be "wrong" than try to prove you're "right".

When you notice that the same phrase exists for centuries in countries as diverse as Thailand, where it is linked to a 'traditional view of women as being wise and intuitive', wouldn't that change anything with regard your perspective on the phrase in Western cultures?

So Hindi, Chinese, Russian, and Thai cultures all have this 'tradition' that women are "wise and intuitive"? Because I just tried searching the interweb for some kind of support for your argument, but could find none. Perhaps my searching skills are at fault. Do you have links, or other references to offer?

[ConsciousAI]

The question in the OP shows that an answer is sought in a link between femininity and morality.

Erm, no, it doesn't. [The topic] seeks to denigrate women, and thereby all of us. There is no way the title of this topic introduces a meaningful philosophical discussion, except perhaps an argument about bias, prejudice, and male-supremacy.

When you notice that the same phrase exists for centuries in countries as diverse as Thailand, where it is linked to a 'traditional view of women as being wise and intuitive', wouldn't that change anything with regard your perspective on the phrase in Western cultures?

So Hindi, Chinese, Russian, and Thai cultures all have this 'tradition' that women are "wise and intuitive"? Because I just tried searching the interweb for some kind of support for your argument, but could find none. Perhaps my searching skills are at fault. Do you have links, or other references to offer?

As mentioned in the OP I used an AI to compare the phrase in diverse cultures around the world.

An AI provided the following more extensive explanation for Hindi, Chinese, Russian, and Thai cultures. It clearly shows that your assertion that the phrase is intended to be denigrating and mocking for women might not be valid in other cultures and therefore why would it in Western cultures?

Hindi Culture

In Hindi culture, women are traditionally seen as wise and intuitive, often playing significant roles in family and society. Although many Indians accept women as political leaders, traditional gender roles still persist in family life. The phrase "The woman is always right" in Hindi culture can be understood as a recognition of women's wisdom and intuition in decision-making within the family and community.

Russian Culture

In Russian culture, women are held in high regard as mothers, nurturers, and bearers of the most sacred dimensions of the culture. The phrase "The woman is always right" in Russian culture can be seen as a reflection of the respect for women's wisdom and intuition, acknowledging their significant contributions to family and society.

Chinese Culture

Traditional Chinese culture has often deemed women less valuable than men, as men were seen as the core of the family. However, wisdom views in Chinese culture emphasize different aspects of wisdom, such as the relationship between intelligence and virtue, the application of wisdom, and the thinking mode of wisdom. In this context, the phrase "The woman is always right" can be understood as an acknowledgment of women's wisdom and intuition, despite the traditional gender roles that may have limited their opportunities and recognition.

Thai Culture

In Thai culture, women generally have a high status, retaining property rights and enjoying many of the same rights as men. Thai women are often seen as wise and intuitive, playing significant roles in family and society. The phrase "The woman is always right" in Thai culture can be seen as a reflection of the respect for women's wisdom and intuition, acknowledging their important contributions to family and community life.

Comparison

While each of these cultures recognizes women's wisdom and intuition to varying degrees, the phrase "The woman is always right" serves as a common acknowledgment of the value of women's perspectives and decision-making abilities. In Hindi and Russian cultures, women are often seen as wise and intuitive, playing significant roles in family and society. In Chinese culture, despite traditional gender roles, women's wisdom and intuition are still acknowledged and respected. In Thai culture, women enjoy a high status and are recognized for their wisdom and intuition in various aspects of life.

Overall, the phrase "The woman is always right" can be seen as a reflection of the respect and recognition of women's wisdom and intuition across these diverse cultures, highlighting the importance of women's contributions to family and society.

My question: might the phrase concern and potentially reveal an unspoken aspect related to morality that cannot be grasped by AI?