Article: The Clarity Of Amorality
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Here are some newer topics explaining even more fleshed out philosophy of spiritual freedom meaning rejection of all moral law and superstition:
- There is no "Is-Ought Problem" because there is no 'ought'.
- What the word "evil" means to me, and why I believe evil (as I use the term) does not exist.
- An elaboration on how judgemental moralizing and the superstition of 'moral law' infringes on free-spirited inner peace
- I lovingly and deeply pity those who think unchangeable reality "ought" to be different than it unchangeably is.
- The artistically creative diversity of spiritual freedom
Thank you,
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I believe spiritual freedom (a.k.a. self-discipline) manifests as bravery, confidence, grace, honesty, love, and inner peace.
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Actually in hunter-gatherer times, "religion" was animism, not theism so wasn't based on the rules of gods. Of course humans have always had personal moral codes with which to base social behavior decisions upon. We still do today. Naturally hubris (in some individuals) encouraged them to attempt to hold others to their own personal moral codes thus societal ethical standards were created.Eckhart Aurelius Hughes wrote: ↑December 27th, 2007, 4:26 pm The Clarity Of Amorality
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Morality consists of moral values used to judge conduct, events, and people in general. It refers to the way people try to universally categorize human conduct as right or wrong, or good or bad.
Morality originated from religion. In the earlier days of human civilization, the lack of telecommunications and lack of fast transportation separated humankind into small, isolated communities. As a result the religion in each one of these communities would dominate the community. Since those isolated communities had little contact with other cultures and religious beliefs, they took their own religion as simple truth.
However, as the world has globalized, the different communities have come into more and more contact with each other and have begun mixing. With multiple religions in the same society, the society could no longer use a single religion as its law and value system. As a result, society developed secular laws and values that applied independent of any given person's religion.
Naturally, society derived its new secular values and codes of conduct from its religious values. For the most part, it just rephrased the religious commandments and values from the dominant religions in more secularized terms. The "sinful" became the "immoral."
Developments in science also have led to more secularization of society because science can more reliably explain what people would otherwise rely on religion to explain. Also, people questioned their own religion more once they came into contact with other religions.
However, the archaic idea of morality remains. Even many so-called atheists talk as though some metaphysically universal set of values exist to determine the goodness or badness of people or actions. They do that by referring to people and actions as morally good or bad.
Still, when a person makes a moral statement nowadays they do not usually mean anything inherently religious. They just use the archaic and oversimplified moral terms to express an otherwise amoral sentiment. They might use the moral terms to express any of a variety of amoral sentiments, such as a personal taste, a recommendation, a social value, or so on.
For example, when a person says the moral statement, "eating dogs is morally wrong," they might mean the amoral statement, "eating dogs disgusts me." When a person says, "doing drugs is immoral," they might mean, "doing drugs will cause you more trouble than pleasure." When a person says, "breaking the law is morally bad," they might mean, "if you break the law, it will probably result in very unpleasant consequences for you." When a person says the moral statement, "you should go to work on time," they may just mean that amoral statement, "I recommend that you go to work on time."
Using the moral terms, rather than saying specifically what one means, lacks clarity. When a person calls a certain action immoral, we do not know what they mean exactly. Do they mean the action disgusts them? Do they mean they dislike it? Do they mean it would hurt them? Do they mean it would hurt the person who does it? Do they mean their religion forbids it? We can try to figure out what they mean by the context, but they can also just specify it by using amoral terminology.
We can more clearly express ourselves by specifying what we mean in secular and descriptive ways, rather than in general moral terms. Consider giving up morality due to its lack of clarity. Instead of making moral prescriptions, consider making amorally descriptive statements.
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This seems to me an unjustified statement. "Religion" is an abstraction from particular religions which were founded or originated at specific times by specific people.
It seems to me that one has to believe that either:
A) somebodyor a few somebodies at some time first came up with the idea of morality as part of their religion, and everybody else got the idea by a chain of communication from that one or few founders, or
B) moral thinking is in some sense part of human nature, so that such ideas have occurred to multiple people in multiple different cultures.
Seems to me that the right answer is obviously B).
On the basis that as far as we know whenever anybody has crossed the sea and discovered another culture, they have found some form of morality as part of that culture. Even though that culture is ignorant of the traveller's own religion.
Such origins are of course lost in the mists of pre-history, but it seems reasonable to suppose that the unrecorded "first contacts" are similar to the more recent ones that we know more about.
If you're saying that some people sometimes say one thing and mean another, few would disagree.For example, when a person says the moral statement, "eating dogs is morally wrong," they might mean the amoral statement, "eating dogs disgusts me."
But if you're saying that everybody who says "eating dogs is morally wrong" necessarily means "eating dogs disgusts me", then that is clearly false. It is perfectly possible to say without contradiction "eating dogs disgusts me, but I don't believe it to be morally wrong". Or conversely "I experience no feelings of disgust at the thought of eating a dog but nonetheless consider it to be morally wrong because dogs are sentient".
You've stated "they might mean", implying that some do, but your conclusion
only follows if all do, if anyone uttering a prescriptive moral statement "really" means a descriptive statement.We can more clearly express ourselves by specifying what we mean in secular and descriptive ways, rather than in general moral terms."
This seems a basic error.
For example, does someone who says "Consider giving up morality" really mean "You should give up morality" ?
It's quite possible that some might mean that, but that doesn't mean that the statement can only possibly mean that...
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Eckhart Aurelius Hughes (in 2007) wrote: ↑December 27th, 2007, 4:26 pmMorality originated from religion. In the earlier days of human civilization, the lack of telecommunications and lack of fast transportation separated humankind into small, isolated communities. As a result the religion in each one of these communities would dominate the community. Since those isolated communities had little contact with other cultures and religious beliefs, they took their own religion as simple truth.
Can you give some specific examples of regions/cities (a.k.a. societies) where concepts of morality/immorality/sinfulness didn't historically come primarily from religion?AlonsoAcevesMx wrote: ↑September 12th, 2024, 12:49 pm some moral views have developed in societies where religion is not the primary axis of ethics?
Huh? Historically, all societies were aboriginal societies.Eckhart Aurelius Hughes (in 2007) wrote: ↑December 27th, 2007, 4:26 pm We can find moral rules and regulations (born from moral notions) in aboriginal societies.
All immigrants were natives (i.e. non-immigrants) before they first immigrated. That's true by definition.
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Instead, I think of Confucianism as a clear example of a system of regulations and moral values that didn't emphasize religion as its source, but rather political stability.
Another example that comes to mind is the pre-Hispanic Aimara and Quechua people. They valued their connection to the cosmos, but didn't follow a set of rules imposed by a deity. Instead, they focused on the interconnected relationship between Pachamama (Mother Nature) and human beings.
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Yes, but I think of both Confucianism and Daoism as different means to the end of bringing the warring Chinese states into a state of peace. World class religions of which Confucianism and Daoism are examples do just that-------they unite . Please see also Muhammad and his inspiration as to how to unite warring Arabian states. Also Constantine and his endorsement of Pauline Christianity to be a unifying force within his own empire.AlonsoAcevesMx wrote: ↑September 12th, 2024, 8:49 pm You are right in your definition of Aboriginal. I was trying to use the term in the Western context of less developed societies, but I realize now that was a poor choice of words.
Instead, I think of Confucianism as a clear example of a system of regulations and moral values that didn't emphasize religion as its source, but rather political stability.
Another example that comes to mind is the pre-Hispanic Aimara and Quechua people. They valued their connection to the cosmos, but didn't follow a set of rules imposed by a deity. Instead, they focused on the interconnected relationship between Pachamama (Mother Nature) and human beings.
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Eckhart Aurelius Hughes (in 2007) wrote: ↑December 27th, 2007, 4:26 pmMorality originated from religion. In the earlier days of human civilization, the lack of telecommunications and lack of fast transportation separated humankind into small, isolated communities. As a result the religion in each one of these communities would dominate the community. Since those isolated communities had little contact with other cultures and religious beliefs, they took their own religion as simple truth.
AlonsoAcevesMx wrote: ↑September 12th, 2024, 12:49 pm some moral views have developed in societies where religion [was never] the primary axis of ethics?
Eckhart Aurelius Hughes wrote: ↑September 12th, 2024, 5:50 pm Can you give some specific examples of regions/cities (a.k.a. societies) where concepts of morality/immorality/sinfulness didn't historically come primarily from religion?
I'm not asking for you to give an example of a system doesn't emphasize religion, or that doesn't emphasis religion as its source.AlonsoAcevesMx wrote: ↑September 12th, 2024, 8:49 pm I think of Confucianism as a clear example of a system of regulations and moral values that didn't emphasize religion as [...]
If that was the question, then it would have an obvious answer: Eckhart-Aurelius-Hughesian-ism.
Instead, I am asking for a location. It sounds like you are saying China is an alleged example of a place where the aboriginal/native people/societies were never religious? Is that correct?
Interesting. Can you elaborate much more for me on their shared views and culture particularly in regard to any shared beliefs or rituals regarding the nature of reality, of evolution, of the way the universe/reality works at the smallest and biggest of scales (e.g. what was their version of quantum mechanics, general relativity, the Bang Bang Theory, etc.)?AlonsoAcevesMx wrote: ↑September 12th, 2024, 8:49 pm the pre-Hispanic Aimara and Quechua people. They valued their connection to the cosmos, [...] they focused on the interconnected relationship between Pachamama (Mother Nature) and human beings.
How would they define "cosmos"? What did they believe their relationship was to it? Did they have any rituals in relation to that? Did they have any rituals at all?
Do you have any good book recommendations where I can learn more about that, with enjoyment and non-boringness being more important to me than informativeness? (I'd rather learn a little less and enjoy reading it, then learn even more facts but in a boring way.) Just for rough reference of what I like in that genre, I've read the Chinese text the Tao Te Ching multiple times and very much like it. I've also read the Dhammapada from Buddhism and liked that. Needless to say, I've read a lot of books from the Greek stoics too and loved those, most notably of course Marcus Aurelius's journal, "Meditations".
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