What makes an action immoral?
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In my opinion, what makes something moral is in the intention and in the consequence only.Burning Giraffe wrote: ↑June 4th, 2009, 11:04 amThat requires a meta-ethical analysis of morality itself. Is what makes something moral in the intention, in the action, or in the consequence? Is morality an objective natural law or is morality dependent upon a broader subjective standard.philoreaderguy wrote:What makes an action immoral? How do we know if a certain choice, action, or behavior is immoral?
It's in "the intention" because when a man takes a bomb to shield his team, it is morally good even if it's suicide as it saves more lives and is completely voluntary. Voluntariness also makes it morally acceptable to society.
It's in "the consequence" because if a woman aborts a child due to her incapability in raising it( since she was a rape victim for example), then her suffering will significantly be lessened plus a child unwanted by both parents will not suffer as it grows. Taking the child's life is to prevent this greater suffering anyone would do anything to avoid.
Greater suffering is what people fear and fear controls them. It doesn't matter if it takes one or several peoples' lives, I think what prevents the greater suffering to humanity instead of what brings more benefit to humanity, changes people's attitude on "the action" that was done.
Compare the consequence of [1]gaining benefits to ending up in [2]greater suffering:
[1]A certain President orders the massacre of drug addicts for a brighter future, shooting also thousands of clean people along the way. It's for a better future but is it really morally acceptable? How could the ends based on 'benefits' justify the means?
If ends were based on avoiding 'suffering' however:::
[2]An example that better explains this is the case of homosexuals and their discrimination. As we all know, gays were hated by so many people some years ago but somehow they were slowly accepted by society. Why is this so? Is it so that gay people will have the same rights as everyone and they will have happily ever afters? I don't think so. The chase of benefits like that easily fell onto deaf ears after all.
I think it's because gay people have 'suffered' so much and even multiplied so much that the number of these people who are suffering has finally caught people's attention that they began to question if hating on gay people was really morally right. Thus, we now in the modern world are trying to lessen their 'suffering' by giving them rights to marriage and more.
What do you all think about morality as simply anti-suffering?
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If we would not want a behavior done to us, if we were "in their "shoes", as they say, and absolutely Everyone could agree with and accept this, then that is what makes a behavior immoral.philoreaderguy wrote: ↑March 6th, 2007, 10:53 am What makes an action immoral? How do we know if a certain choice, action, or behavior is immoral?
Very simple and very easy really.
Unless, of course, ANY can prove this false, wrong, or incorrect.
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So, having to go to work, to go to school, being punished are all immoral actions, correct?popeye1945 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2021, 4:51 pm An action is moral if it does not make the life of another person/animal more difficult than it would ordinarly be.
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You actually said, "ordinarily be".
But, besides that, what is "ordinarily/normally" in relation to, EXACTLY?
My life was made far more difficult AFTER I was FORCED to go to school and to work, because BEFORE them my life was ordinarily being far less difficult.
Also, how does one determine what is "ordinary" punishment?
ANY adult could excuse or "justify" their dealing out of punishment onto "another" as just "this is how it is "ordinarily" or "normally" done.
Your definition/answer of what makes an action moral is far to 'relative', from my perspective, I will clearly add here now.
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I KNOW.popeye1945 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2021, 11:37 am Hi-Evolution, Normally/ordinarily would mean that an individual does not intentionally increase your suffering in this world beyond what your life might dispense to you, without their intervention.
But as I pointed out, obviously MORE CLEARLY to some than to "others", my suffering WAS INCREASED by what was INTENTIONALLY FORCED upon 'me', in "this world".
Some can NOT YET SEE this because of the way DECEPTION is FORCED upon them, UNKNOWINGLY and UNWITTINGLY.
See, being FORCED to ENDURE hours upon hours of BOREDOM to "learn some thing" is perpetrated under the disguise of this is what "naturally" has to happen to you, in "this world". So, this COMPLETELY UNNECESSARILY FORCED SUFFERING is done under the illusion and disguise of this is NOT "increasing your suffering".
This is ALL deception that the perpetrators of the abuse are NOT even AWARE of "themselves".
Just like when an adult physically punishes a child and tells them, "This will hurt me more than it does you". Adult human beings say and do some things, which happens under a 'deceived illusion' that they are TOTALLY NOT EVEN AWARE of.
There are thousands of examples of these. But you appear to be under the illusion that this could NOT POSSIBLY BE HAPPENING, correct?
By the way, the "world", itself, does NOT dispense ANY suffering AT ALL. The ONLY suffering that gets dispensed, in "this world", is the suffering dispensed by ADULT human beings onto CHILDREN.
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What do you mean by "having" to go to work? No one "has" to go to work.evolution wrote: ↑February 5th, 2021, 5:19 pmSo, having to go to work, to go to school, being punished are all immoral actions, correct?popeye1945 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2021, 4:51 pm An action is moral if it does not make the life of another person/animal more difficult than it would ordinarly be.
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Very good point. NO one 'has to' go to work in the Truest sense. But there are a lot of adult human beings who ridicule and degrade those who do not go to work. Thus there can be a sense of, "I have to go work", instilled into the human being.LuckyR wrote: ↑February 7th, 2021, 4:08 amWhat do you mean by "having" to go to work? No one "has" to go to work.evolution wrote: ↑February 5th, 2021, 5:19 pmSo, having to go to work, to go to school, being punished are all immoral actions, correct?popeye1945 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2021, 4:51 pm An action is moral if it does not make the life of another person/animal more difficult than it would ordinarly be.
The sense of, "You have to work", is also continually instilled in most human beings, from early childhood in fact. The current to when this is being written "education system" is largely centered around enforcing the BELIEF that "you HAVE TO work".
Otherwise what are children actually being "educated" for?
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