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Are anger, discompassion and hatred symptoms of weakness?

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Re: Are anger, discompassion and hatred symptoms of weakness?

Post by Mosesquine » June 14th, 2018, 3:00 pm

All feelings like anger, discompassion and hatred, etc., are not symptoms of weakness. US army, stronger, can hate Islamic State army, weaker. In many cases, stronger things can be angry or can hate weaker things.

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Re: Are anger, discompassion and hatred symptoms of weakness?

Post by Karpel Tunnel » June 15th, 2018, 1:59 am

Though those facets of the stronger thing could still be weaknesses. IOW each of those armies could be weaker due to those qualities.

If I meet some steroid addicted body builder, he can very likely kick my ass, but he's still got a weakness with his steroid addiction.

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Re: Are anger, discompassion and hatred symptoms of weakness?

Post by LuckyR » June 15th, 2018, 11:16 am

Totally depends on the criteria (definition) to meet the terms
"As usual... it depends."

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Re: Are anger, discompassion and hatred symptoms of weakness?

Post by Karpel Tunnel » June 16th, 2018, 1:19 am

LuckyR wrote:
June 15th, 2018, 11:16 am
Totally depends on the criteria (definition) to meet the terms
And even if they are well defined, it becomes 1) tricky to not have value based, rather than objective based evaluations 2) and even if one manages to get some kind of value free criteria, hard to measure.

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Re: Are anger, discompassion and hatred symptoms of weakness

Post by Maffei » June 13th, 2019, 11:24 pm

Scott wrote:
April 3rd, 2012, 7:57 pm
I am not saying they are weaknesses, but rather that they are symptoms of weakness.
To me the key to an answer lies on this slight but fundamental difference.

The difference is solved if we put theses affects in the way they manifest themselves – as movements. Like the following:
1. I have an image that an certain object of my hate somehow decreases my power to act/hinders or threatens my existence/discourages me, therefore makes me weaker.
2. My reaction is to eliminate or subjugate this image somehow (whether acting on the object or just on the image). This reaction is done with an increase of strenght. That's why the hatred manifestation seems to be a sign of power.
3. The result is only the disappearing of just one of my hatred cause. The other part lies in my own construction of my hatred elaborated in the course of my life. So I remain weak, because the only reason not to get hatred again depends on external causes.
4. If there is a possibility of the external cause of my hatred appear again, It will light up my weakness again, and I will react with hatred again.

I would not include compassion or discompassion in the same tendency, because they arise from the recognition of similarity that the object has with me, in such a way that I can recognize their emotions in myself. As we see, the increase or decrease of the power to act is not the factor. Maybe one can seem that ignore another human being but, instead of being cold, he is just avoiding to lose control with someone he actually hate. This would be a case of veiled hatred and not of discompassion.

If you liked it, read Spinoza's Ethics

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