Is abortion wrong?

[LuckyR]

Your use of the word "coerce" is not standard, every job has certain expectations to be employed.

That's not coercion, that's just called "the job description". If you hire someone to test jump parachutes and they don't want to wash the dishes for you, tough luck.

Oh you mean like the job description of not passing communicable illnesses to clients of the business?

[Belindi]

Carter Blunt wrote:

The only problem I have with pro-choice, is the ones who wanted to take away other people's choice to refuse experimental vaccines, without losing their livelihood.

'pro-choice' is a phrase that pertains to the problem of abortion, but not to the problem of control of infectious diseases.

These are different problems and require separate solutions.

[/i] Legislating effective disease control is significantly beneficial whereas legislating enforced pregnancies benefits nobody.

[Carter Blunt]

Oh you mean like the job description of not passing communicable illnesses to clients of the business?

The covid vaccine doesn't stop infection or transmission. We would've known that if they even bothered testing for it.

[Carter Blunt]

'pro-choice' is a phrase that pertains to the problem of abortion, but not to the problem of control of infectious diseases.

The "bodily autonomy" or "my body, my choice" argument, is exactly the argument most are settling on. If it doesn't apply across the board, it's not a principle... I can safely ignore it. What argument are pro-abortion people left with?

[Sculptor1]

Is abortion wrong? Is it okay? Why?

You seem to be implying it is wrong.
Why don't you say why you think that.

[LuckyR]

Oh you mean like the job description of not passing communicable illnesses to clients of the business?

The covid vaccine doesn't stop infection or transmission. We would've known that if they even bothered testing for it.

That's one opinion, you're entitled to it. Business owners have the same right. This lack of respect for Business is my point.

[LuckyR]

'pro-choice' is a phrase that pertains to the problem of abortion, but not to the problem of control of infectious diseases.

The "bodily autonomy" or "my body, my choice" argument, is exactly the argument most are settling on. If it doesn't apply across the board, it's not a principle... I can safely ignore it. What argument are pro-abortion people left with?

I support women in governing their body decisions, just as I support you in your vaccination decisions. But I am sophisticated enough to recognise that if a woman exercises her autonomy over her body and has an abortion than she will not be eligible to compete for Miss America and IMO others should recognise that while they have every right to decide that they won't have a vaccination, that they may be ineligible for certain jobs.

Individuals have rights over their individual bodies BUT business owners have rights over their businesses.

[Carter Blunt]

Individuals have rights over their individual bodies BUT business owners have rights over their businesses.

The conflict is when your business tries to get in my business. If I'm on your job 8 hours a day, I don't need to wear your tattoo 24 hours a day. Not sure what we're doing. I'm not here just arguing to argue. I'm against ownership of another human being, simple.

[LuckyR]

Individuals have rights over their individual bodies BUT business owners have rights over their businesses.

The conflict is when your business tries to get in my business. If I'm on your job 8 hours a day, I don't need to wear your tattoo 24 hours a day. Not sure n what we're doing. I'm not here just arguing to argue. I'm against ownership of another human being, simple.

Uummm... yeah you do. If you want to work at Disneyland, you can't grow facial hair, or choose to get a visible tattoo. Your ability to put on and remove your visible tattoo the non-working 16 hours a day is identical to your ability to remove your vaccination for 16 hours a day. But I too am not here to argue for the sake of arguing. I'm just pointing out that although the Covid vaccine was new, the actions of employers was traditional and routine.

You're free to disagree of course, I'm just keeping it honest that such disagreement is against commonplace modern work conditions.

[Carter Blunt]

I don't like businesses making people shave, or cut their dreadlocks, but no one listens to me. Lol. Covering up tattoos, I guess I understand.

[Belindi]

'pro-choice' is a phrase that pertains to the problem of abortion, but not to the problem of control of infectious diseases.

The "bodily autonomy" or "my body, my choice" argument, is exactly the argument most are settling on. If it doesn't apply across the board, it's not a principle... I can safely ignore it. What argument are pro-abortion people left with?

Autonomy is good, and public welfare is good too. In a case of elective abortion there is little or no public welfare involved, but in the case of control of infectious diseases the public welfare is the main concern.

It may be argued that if public conscience is such that a society has not a trace of concern about the foetus then so much the worse for the society and any claim that society may have to be civilised. But there appears to be no evidence of increased brutality in societies where elective abortions are legal; those societies where abortion is legal are more sympathetic to individuals.