Is abortion wrong?

[Sculptor1]

This is your argument:
1) We kill things when we build houses.
2) Therefore it's okay to kill things to eat them.
You do see that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys?

Not exactly.
I did not say it was wrong. I was just pointing out your contradictions.

I am evolved to eat things as are all living things in one way or the other.
Suck it up!

[LuckyR]

I think terminating life is not something to be taken lightly.

If a pregnant woman is killed, the law charges the murderer with 2 counts of murder- 1 for the mother and 1 for the unborn child.
Therefore, I would surmise that terminating a pregnancy is equal to one count of murder. If the mother chooses to kill the unborn child how is different than if somebody else ended its life with hers?

I am pro-life for several reasons.

Illogical on it's face for several reasons.

Firstly, the Unborn Victims of Violence act of 2004 is only the law in the USA since 2004. So this argument doesn't work before 2004 and anywhere else in the West.

Secondly and more importantly, if you are going to conflate the legal system with philosophy (a fool's errand if there ever was one) then use the entire law and not cherry pick the portions of it that you find convenient. The UVV act specifically exempts abortion from the law, therefore your pittard itself argues the opposite of your assertion.

[Mounce574]

Life starts at conception- it has been proven scientifically. At 3 weeks- generally, before most women know they are pregnant-the nervous system is developed. At 6 weeks-arms, legs, and eyes have formed, 9 weeks - an individual fingerprint, and blood type. If a woman's baby is not a life then what about implantation? Are those not alive? What about the theoretical test tube babies? Are they not alive?

[Mounce574]

It depends on whether one thinks a foetus - a living entity without sentience, relationships or cares - matters as much as an adult woman.

It also should depend on how many people this planet can carry before everything goes kaput. Ideally, who do we put resources towards when there's not enough to go around?* I would see at the bottom of the priority list incurably violent criminals, those who are terminally ill and seek respite and those who have not yet experienced life in the world.



* Yes, there would be more to go around if corporations shared their wealth, but that's not happening any time soon.

This point is moot: the fact that for every person who is born, another person dies.

[Sy Borg]

Life starts at conception- it has been proven scientifically.

So what? Since when have humans cared about microscopic life, which is what an early embryo is - a microbe. Even a late term foetus is vastly less sentient than the animals we routinely kill for food - it's not even close.

[Mounce574]

Life starts at conception- it has been proven scientifically.

So what? Since when have humans cared about microscopic life, which is what an early embryo is - a microbe. Even a late term foetus is vastly less sentient than the animals we routinely kill for food - it's not even close.

Why is bacteria considered life on Mars but a heartbeat on Earth isn't?

[Sy Borg]

Life starts at conception- it has been proven scientifically.

So what? Since when have humans cared about microscopic life, which is what an early embryo is - a microbe. Even a late term foetus is vastly less sentient than the animals we routinely kill for food - it's not even close.

Why is bacteria considered life on Mars but a heartbeat on Earth isn't?

Bacteria are alive, that is why.

The fairyfly, a tiny parasitic wasp is the smallest insect, about 0.5 to 1mm long. Fairyflies have beating hearts. Should we start a campaign to save them? Does having a heart mean that that life matters? How much do the lives of sophisticated pigs, cows and sheep that you eat matter? In truth, you don't care about whether an entity has a heart.

[Mounce574]

Life starts at conception- it has been proven scientifically.

So what? Since when have humans cared about microscopic life, which is what an early embryo is - a microbe. Even a late term foetus is vastly less sentient than the animals we routinely kill for food - it's not even close.

Why is bacteria considered life on Mars but a heartbeat on Earth isn't?

Bacteria are alive, that is why.

The fairyfly, a tiny parasitic wasp is the smallest insect, about 0.5 to 1mm long. Fairyflies have beating hearts. Should we start a campaign to save them? Does having a heart mean that that life matters? How much do the lives of sophisticated pigs, cows and sheep that you eat matter? In truth, you don't care about whether an entity has a heart.

See, this is where you pass judgment upon me believing that I eat animals. Do you eat people? Do you eat human aborted baby parts?

[Sy Borg]

So what? Since when have humans cared about microscopic life, which is what an early embryo is - a microbe. Even a late term foetus is vastly less sentient than the animals we routinely kill for food - it's not even close.

Why is bacteria considered life on Mars but a heartbeat on Earth isn't?

Bacteria are alive, that is why.

The fairyfly, a tiny parasitic wasp is the smallest insect, about 0.5 to 1mm long. Fairyflies have beating hearts. Should we start a campaign to save them? Does having a heart mean that that life matters? How much do the lives of sophisticated pigs, cows and sheep that you eat matter? In truth, you don't care about whether an entity has a heart.

See, this is where you pass judgment upon me believing that I eat animals. Do you eat people? Do you eat human aborted baby parts?

Your questions are a red herring.

I take your response as agreeing that you eat animals that are vastly more sensitive, responsive, intelligent, socially connected and sentient than foetuses. But since they are not human, you don't care.

[d3r31nz1g3]

Approximately 50 billion chickens are slaughtered every year for meat.

Are they even real or are they just a ridiculous number of hypnotic chickens? Certainly all those individual chickens aren't individually conscious just like me... even if they seem to be, sensorily.

[Mounce574]

So weeks 5 to 6 there is brain activity in the baby. There are videos of a baby moving away from the instruments used to cause an abortion due to pain. When the baby kicks at 4 months- is that some strange creature in the womb's foot or a baby?
Late term abortions- those are viable babys at 24 weeks. You are literally killing a baby then.

[LuckyR]

So weeks 5 to 6 there is brain activity in the baby. There are videos of a baby moving away from the instruments used to cause an abortion due to pain. When the baby kicks at 4 months- is that some strange creature in the womb's foot or a baby?
Late term abortions- those are viable babys at 24 weeks. You are literally killing a baby then.

Excellent reasons to choose not to personally have an abortion. Bravo.

[Sy Borg]

Ants, beetles, snails and even microbes also recoil from threats. We kill all of them too, along with every other type of animal that Christians do not care about. No, but every human sperm is scared!

[LuckyR]

Ants, beetles, snails and even microbes also recoil from threats. We kill all of them too, along with every other type of animal that Christians do not care about. No, but every human sperm is scared!

I don't think sperm are smart enough to be scared.

As to being sacred, Christians don't consider fetuses to be sacred or even members of the church. If they did there would be a tradition of funerals for miscarriages.

[Sculptor1]

Ants, beetles, snails and even microbes also recoil from threats. We kill all of them too, along with every other type of animal that Christians do not care about. No, but every human sperm is scared!

Judge God by his deeds and not the words written.
God is nature's greatest abortionist, as half of all conceptions do not even make it to the first trimester.
God, additionally ends many pregnancies which end as miscarriages.

So if abortion is wrong god is immoral