Is abortion wrong?

[Wdk7]

I don't disagree with you, but the act itself is still morrally wrong in my opinion.

We can't save them all. The more resources we throw into saving lives, the more we decimate nature, which ultimately results in less resources available to save lives.

7.8 billion of us and still rising by many millions annually. It's unsustainable. One could say that life and existence themselves are morally wrong, because death is inevitable. We all die.

And what constitutes a moral life and a moral death? It seems easy to answer on the surface, but when you consider causal chains of events, it's not so clear. Numerous people die every day who would have been saved if they were VIPs. The resources would have been available to save them - if only they were connected enough. So it goes. Life is brutal and unfair. That's just how it is. All we can do is reduce the unfairness, and that means ultimately prioritising resources - to focus on saving those to whom it matters most and have the most to lose.

Again I agree with most of what you saying, but evil is still evil even if it is for for the greater good. Somthing being evil does not mean it should be illegal for the same reasons that you gave. Good can come from evil, and we must judge when such evil' s are to be allowed. This does not mean the act itself is morally good, and since the question posed was if abortion is wrong, the answer for me is yes even if it's for the greater good. This does not mean I do not think it can't serve a greater purpose.

[LuckyR]

Addressing only one of the two key issues in an attempt to oversimplify, is at best lazy.

It's not oversimplifying. If you say the answer is no than any question past that is meaningless, and if yes than to what extant.

Sorry for being difficult for you to understand, allow me to simplify. There are two questions (you, conveniently only addressed one) the fetal interest in existence and the maternal interest in autonomy (which you conveniently but unsurprisingly ignored).

[Sculptor1]

There is always hope that you might come to your senses.

Okay bud.

So let's look at some cases
A sperm enters an egg. 60% of these fail within the first few days. So is this a "person". Is god responsible for murdering this person.
Many of these failures happen for reasons unknown.
Move on a few days an the small blob of cells starts to go red.
Many women suspecting an unwanted pregnancy - either through failure of contraception or through the all too common instances of RAPE, take a morning after pill. If the blob is a "person" then you must be saying that Those who sell that pill are conspirators to murder and that the woman is the murderer. Is this the case?

After a couple of weeks the morning after pill can't work. The foetus is has fish like qualities. The woman misses her period (do you know what a period is?), and suspect she has an unwanted pregnancy. In many communities throughout the world this can spell doom for girls who are unwed; they may face ostracism, and banishment. Historically women have had to seek the help of unqualified abortionsits to avoid their lives being ruined.
How do you feel about forcing them to continue with the pregnancy to give birth to an unwanted "bastard"?

[Sculptor1]

Other things to consider.

You seem to think that rape is rare

In the year to the end of March 2017, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated:

20% of women and 4% of men have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, equivalent to 3.4 million female and 631,000 male victims

3.1% of women (510,000) and 0.8% of men (138,000) aged 16 to 59 had experienced a sexual assault in the last year.

This is just the UK.

[Wdk7]

It's not oversimplifying. If you say the answer is no than any question past that is meaningless, and if yes than to what extant.

Sorry for being difficult for you to understand, allow me to simplify. There are two questions (you, conveniently only addressed one) the fetal interest in existence and the maternal interest in autonomy (which you conveniently but unsurprisingly ignored).

No it's a question that is begged after the initial for if a parent holds no responsibility then body atonomy is not worth discussing since it would already be addressed due to the initial answer. I'm sorry this is difficult for you to understand, and it would make things simpler if you answered the question rather than deflecting it.

[Wdk7]

Other things to consdier..
You seem to think that rape is rare

Your privacy is important
This website has been designed to keep your privacy as safe as possible but your web browser (N/A) automatically records the history of pages you visit. You may want to consider protecting your privacy as you browse.

I know about this
privacy
Sexual violence statistics
Key statistics about rape and sexual violence in England and Wales.

In the year to the end of March 2017, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated:

20% of women and 4% of men have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, equivalent to 3.4 million female and 631,000 male victims
3.1% of women (510,000) and 0.8% of men (138,000) aged 16 to 59 had experienced a sexual assault in the last year.

This is just the UK.

That's crazy bro

[Sculptor1]

Other things to consdier..
You seem to think that rape is rare

Your privacy is important
This website has been designed to keep your privacy as safe as possible but your web browser (N/A) automatically records the history of pages you visit. You may want to consider protecting your privacy as you browse.

I know about this
privacy
Sexual violence statistics
Key statistics about rape and sexual violence in England and Wales.

In the year to the end of March 2017, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated:

20% of women and 4% of men have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, equivalent to 3.4 million female and 631,000 male victims
3.1% of women (510,000) and 0.8% of men (138,000) aged 16 to 59 had experienced a sexual assault in the last year.

This is just the UK.

That's crazy bro

What is that suppose to mean?

[Sculptor1]

Other things to consdier..
You seem to think that rape is rare

Your privacy is important
This website has been designed to keep your privacy as safe as possible but your web browser (N/A) automatically records the history of pages you visit. You may want to consider protecting your privacy as you browse.

I know about this
privacy
Sexual violence statistics
Key statistics about rape and sexual violence in England and Wales.

In the year to the end of March 2017, the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated:

20% of women and 4% of men have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, equivalent to 3.4 million female and 631,000 male victims
3.1% of women (510,000) and 0.8% of men (138,000) aged 16 to 59 had experienced a sexual assault in the last year.

This is just the UK.

That's crazy bro

Weird.
The bit starting "your privacy is important... " until " I know about this ' privacy", was not something I copied.
You need to read from "Sexual violence statistics"
Sadly this forum has no edit fascility.

[Sculptor1]

That's crazy bro

So let's look at some cases
A sperm enters an egg. 60% of these fail within the first few days. So is this a "person". Is god responsible for murdering this person.
Many of these failures happen for reasons unknown.
Move on a few days an the small blob of cells starts to go red.
Many women suspecting an unwanted pregnancy - either through failure of contraception or through the all too common instances of RAPE, take a morning after pill. If the blob is a "person" then you must be saying that Those who sell that pill are conspirators to murder and that the woman is the murderer. Is this the case?

After a couple of weeks the morning after pill can't work. The foetus is has fish like qualities. The woman misses her period (do you know what a period is?), and suspect she has an unwanted pregnancy. In many communities throughout the world this can spell doom for girls who are unwed; they may face ostracism, and banishment. Historically women have had to seek the help of unqualified abortionsits to avoid their lives being ruined.
How do you feel about forcing them to continue with the pregnancy to give birth to an unwanted "bastard"?
You ignored this bit...

[Wdk7]

That's crazy bro

What is that suppose to mean?

It means I couldn't care less. Talking with you is fruitless and a waist of my time.

[Sy Borg]

We can't save them all. The more resources we throw into saving lives, the more we decimate nature, which ultimately results in less resources available to save lives.

7.8 billion of us and still rising by many millions annually. It's unsustainable. One could say that life and existence themselves are morally wrong, because death is inevitable. We all die.

And what constitutes a moral life and a moral death? It seems easy to answer on the surface, but when you consider causal chains of events, it's not so clear. Numerous people die every day who would have been saved if they were VIPs. The resources would have been available to save them - if only they were connected enough. So it goes. Life is brutal and unfair. That's just how it is. All we can do is reduce the unfairness, and that means ultimately prioritising resources - to focus on saving those to whom it matters most and have the most to lose.

Again I agree with most of what you saying, but evil is still evil even if it is for for the greater good. Somthing being evil does not mean it should be illegal for the same reasons that you gave. Good can come from evil, and we must judge when such evil' s are to be allowed. This does not mean the act itself is morally good, and since the question posed was if abortion is wrong, the answer for me is yes even if it's for the greater good. This does not mean I do not think it can't serve a greater purpose.

Then again, eating meat is wrong too, while ostensibly serving a greater purpose.

[Sculptor1]

What is that suppose to mean?

It means I couldn't care less. Talking with you is fruitless and a waist of my time.

Keep your head in the sand. Ir suits you.

[Wdk7]

It means I couldn't care less. Talking with you is fruitless and a waist of my time.

Keep your head in the sand. Ir suits you.

You too bud.

[Sculptor1]

Keep your head in the sand. It suits you.

You too bud.

I'm not the one telling other people how to live their lives, based on an idiotic ancient myth.

[Angel Trismegistus]

If taking a human life is wrong except in defense of human life, then abortion is wrong except in case the pregnant woman's life is at stake.

Of course the decision to abort or carry to term is, and must remain, solely the pregnant woman's decision, as a free moral agent in the case.