Greta wrote: ↑December 27th, 2018, 9:06 pmYet we eat far more complex and sentient beings than foetuses every day. Our food animals are far more sensitive to pain, far more capable of suffering than any foetus. The animals are intelligent and sensitive, forming bonds with their young and herd mates. Yet we happily slaughter them to eat. We don't even do it with regret. In fact we thinking nothing of it. It's as if they are no more than rocks.cavacava wrote: ↑December 27th, 2018, 6:32 pm
I am saying that abortion is wrong in the case of a pregnancy where the fetus is the result of consensual sex between willing partners. Their act has consequences and I think the women in this case is responsible for seeing the pregnancy through to birth. An abortion is a killing, a taking of a life, and I think the only feasible justification for such a killing is that it is justified, and there are justifications as I have indicated, but consensual sex is not one of them.
Meanwhile an adult woman with established rather than theoretical potential is expected to surrender control of her body for a mistake or bad luck (while the man gets off scot free) - for the sake of an entity with less sentience than the food people eat daily.
If abortion is wrong, then eating pigs, cattle and sheep is infinitely more wrong (I actually don't think any of it is wrong as such, if conducted properly). We need to get real about the fact that we kill all of the time, day after day, and not just animals. The sanctity of life is largely a self-aggrandising myth, the notion seemingly only embraced by vegetarian biologists, environmentalists and humanitarians.
We are predators and we kill. We kill everything and we kill them all of the time, including humans - and there is largely zero care as millions of fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, lovers and longtime friends are pointlessly killed for political ends. The irony is that the political parties most likely to kill teenagers and young adults are the ones that moralise most about abortion.
Humans eat and mistreat animals. I don't think that the eating of animals is immoral, I do however believe that our mistreatment of animals is immoral.
A life is a life, but all animals treat their own species differently than other species in nature where 'might makes right'. Unlike animals humans are not bound to the natural imperative that 'might makes right'. Humanity also treats its own species differently, because we are rational beings who can explain why we act as we do, we can be moral agents, unlike say pigs, cattle or other animals who have neither rationality nor moral agency.
I am suggesting that Abortion is wrong in the specific case where one's own free actions has led to the conception of a life, in which case I think a person ought to bring that life to birth. It may be inconvenient but I think it is how one ought to act.