RJG wrote:"I'm only interested in 'sound' logic"
Felix wrote:That's ironic since your logic has been unsound, i.e., one doesn't conduct a drug toxicity study on those who are not taking the drug or a gun ownership safety study on those who do not own a gun.
Bingo! But Felix you're killing me man.
You are absolutely right! Again, "kudos" to you for recognizing this flawed (unsound) logic. ...but now I got to take all those "kudos" back from you for falsely claiming that it was 'my' bad logic. Please re-read my words before accusing of others words.
If you were following along with this discussion, you would know that Scott and others have been pushing this flawed logic of comparing gun ownership
to NON-gun ownership
, as a 'valid' correlation, whereas I argued the opposite. The purpose of my drug user analogy was to specifically highlight the nonsense
of this (flawed) logic. Please re-read my words again here:
RJG wrote:Question -- Does drug usage make the drug user safer or less safe?
P1. Statistics show that there are more drug related deaths (overdose, suicide, crime, etc.) with drug users than with non-drug users.
C1. Therefore, drug users are "less safe" (and NON-drug users are "safer").
C2. Therefore, banning all drug usage/users will make everyone "safer".
Hopefully we all see and recognize the NONSENSE here, as this "throws the baby out with the bath water". For if we ban all drug usage/users, then there will be MORE (not less!) overall deaths, and everyone will be "less safe" (NOT "safer"!). With NO drug usage, there will be no more bad drug usage, AND likewise there will be NO MORE GOOD drug usage (i.e. no more lives saved because of drugs; penicillin, etc, etc). If we wish to make societal changes based on these (non-applicable!) statistics and (unsound!) logic, then we are all DOOMED! ...we therefore need to STOP this type of irrationality (non-sensical-ness) from influencing and dictating our societal changes (imo).
But seriously Felix, I am glad that at least somebody here recognizes the unsoundness of the logic put forth by those statistics comparing gunowners to non gunowners to (invalidly) determine the safety of gun owners. ...so for that, I'll throw you a "kudo".