As far as I see, all the words that you mentioned are included in honor. So, if honor is only personal, yes, then the above mentioned fellow might not have any honor. Yet, if it is personal, then you cannot judge one's honor. He might be thinking that he is doing a honorable duty by serving his community. He is constant in his service. He is fair to them. And he is faithful to them. So he has completed your list to have honor, in relation to the service that he is doing to his community.Alias wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2021, 8:50 amFame, yes. Honour, NO.
That's not his honour; those are 'honors' awarded to him; mere trappings of external validation.I know a person who helps his community spending a lot of money. So the people love and honor him very much and he has earned a good name.
He may have gained fame, but he threw away his honour in the very first drug deal. He's trying to buy it back, and that's impossible. However, by doing good, he might begin to make amends and eventually redeem his honour.But the rumors say that what he has earned has come from drug dealing. But the people in his community does not care about that and I do not see that he has lost any fame or honor.
But he would have to actually, physically go out and help the victims of his drug traffic - not just throw their money around.
You really don't see the difference between honour - integrity, constancy, fairness, veracity, faithfulness - and kudos?
If he truly believes that he is having honor by doing so, can we judge him and say "no, you do not have any honor"? If we say so, there will not be any difference between fame and honor.