Ever think that "thinking deeper" can actually distort objectivity into meaning whatever you want it to mean, thereby forcing it into constraints of what amounts to something deeply personal having no relation to universal truth of any kind. It's the easiest thing in the world to talk about meaning as if it could be absolutely defined by some universal objective without ever once having to qualify it in some manner. It's common for human brains to fill a universe void of meaning by a perennial mythologization of it.Nick_A wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2021, 7:20 pmITegularius wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2021, 6:47 pmDoes that mean that just about any meaning will do, the kind conscience will accept as universal even though there's no such thing??Nick_A wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2021, 1:18 pmHelo Fionafionaimmodest wrote: ↑August 13th, 2021, 5:46 am When you let go of individual survival, all of your priorities change because you actually see the entire world as your body. You see the suffering of others as your own suffering and you want to help. What is the actual power of a human being to really benefit the world, when they are able to put the priorities of the whole system in front of themselves, even if that means they have to die in the process? How many of us can do that right now?
What if seven billion of us did that?
Maybe the one thing that keeps us from actually solving all of the other problems in the world is this persistent, flawed thought that we are separate from the world. Maybe it’s time we change our minds.”
You seem open to contemplating the essence of religion and philosophy below the psychological surface rather than arguing about Trump. It seems to me that an intelligent rather than an indoctrinated person could put scientific facts into "meaning." Facts are easy to prove but for many what provides meaning is a subjective concept acquired by family, friends, and society. However some believe in objective meaning. This means that meaning is a universal perennial truth that Man can "remember" through conscience. Do you believe that objective meaning is a reality or are we limited to invented subjective expressions of meaning that vanish as Man becomes extinct?
I already know that you deny objective meaning and an objective purpose for our universe. But Fiona's style indicates she has thought deeper on the potential for objective meaning and why it is hidden from Man as he normally is.
You keep claiming objective meaning and an objective purpose for our universe. Care to give an example which renders it our universe beyond merely stating some vague objectivity?
Universal meaning, compared to any and all human values of meaning, is a bogus variable impossible to qualify except in purely human terms which invariably, through wishful thinking, emphasizes its own conditions of Universality.