Roadmap to scientific spirituality!
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Please tell me if the author provides examples of how science verifies religion. It will be a step in the right direction.Renold vijay wrote: ↑June 5th, 2021, 1:35 pm At first I thought it was just a waste of time comparing science with scriptures as I ready the title of "Bibilical clock". But after reading few pages the authors have convinced me about different timelines of connecting biblical context to science. I wish to present a honest review once I complete the book.
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I believe that one identical thought is to be found—expressed very precisely and with only slight differences of modality—in. . .Pythagoras, Plato, and the Greek Stoics. . .in the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad Gita; in the Chinese Taoist writings and. . .Buddhism. . .in the dogmas of the Christian faith and in the writings of the greatest Christian mystics. . .I believe that this thought is the truth, and that it today requires a modern and Western form of expression. That is to say, it should be expressed through the only approximately good thing we can call our own, namely science. This is all the less difficult because it is itself the origin of science. Simone Weil….Simone Pétrement, Simone Weil: A Life, Random House, 1976, p. 488
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I think you were originally correct that it is indeed a waste of time comparing science with scriptures.Renold vijay wrote: ↑June 5th, 2021, 1:35 pm At first I thought it was just a waste of time comparing science with scriptures as I ready the title of "Bibilical clock". But after reading few pages the authors have convinced me about different timelines of connecting biblical context to science. I wish to present a honest review once I complete the book.
Science and Scripture occupy different magisteria, and any comparisons made are false.
Would you can to share any specific reflections?
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Yes. I too think each and every religion or the philosophies have more or less similar things in their core that are covered with various myths and beliefs that are unique to those religions or philosophies, which clearly reflect the thoughts and beliefs of the relevant eras and geographical areas. Today with the scientific advancements we see that many of these myths are unbelievable, and so we merely ignore the core values of these teachings as well. I think all these has to be interpreted in a novel and a scientific manner, and then we will be able to apply them and make use of them in the today's world.Nick_A wrote: ↑June 6th, 2021, 6:01 pmPlease tell me if the author provides examples of how science verifies religion. It will be a step in the right direction.Renold vijay wrote: ↑June 5th, 2021, 1:35 pm At first I thought it was just a waste of time comparing science with scriptures as I ready the title of "Bibilical clock". But after reading few pages the authors have convinced me about different timelines of connecting biblical context to science. I wish to present a honest review once I complete the book.
Simone Weil wrote:
I believe that one identical thought is to be found—expressed very precisely and with only slight differences of modality—in. . .Pythagoras, Plato, and the Greek Stoics. . .in the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad Gita; in the Chinese Taoist writings and. . .Buddhism. . .in the dogmas of the Christian faith and in the writings of the greatest Christian mystics. . .I believe that this thought is the truth, and that it today requires a modern and Western form of expression. That is to say, it should be expressed through the only approximately good thing we can call our own, namely science. This is all the less difficult because it is itself the origin of science. Simone Weil….Simone Pétrement, Simone Weil: A Life, Random House, 1976, p. 488
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That can indeed be a waste of time. But I think such comparisons and related arguments are interesting. They reveal the thinking patterns of philosophers who will either take the side of religion or science. Anyway, there is no result in comparing these two, and it is better to select the valuable facts and theories from each category and utilize them for the betterment of the world.Sculptor1 wrote: ↑June 6th, 2021, 6:52 pmI think you were originally correct that it is indeed a waste of time comparing science with scriptures.Renold vijay wrote: ↑June 5th, 2021, 1:35 pm At first I thought it was just a waste of time comparing science with scriptures as I ready the title of "Bibilical clock". But after reading few pages the authors have convinced me about different timelines of connecting biblical context to science. I wish to present a honest review once I complete the book.
Science and Scripture occupy different magisteria, and any comparisons made are false.
Would you can to share any specific reflections?
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Religion is not involved in the betterment of the world, though it might think that.Sushan wrote: ↑July 19th, 2021, 12:26 amThat can indeed be a waste of time. But I think such comparisons and related arguments are interesting. They reveal the thinking patterns of philosophers who will either take the side of religion or science. Anyway, there is no result in comparing these two, and it is better to select the valuable facts and theories from each category and utilize them for the betterment of the world.Sculptor1 wrote: ↑June 6th, 2021, 6:52 pmI think you were originally correct that it is indeed a waste of time comparing science with scriptures.Renold vijay wrote: ↑June 5th, 2021, 1:35 pm At first I thought it was just a waste of time comparing science with scriptures as I ready the title of "Bibilical clock". But after reading few pages the authors have convinced me about different timelines of connecting biblical context to science. I wish to present a honest review once I complete the book.
Science and Scripture occupy different magisteria, and any comparisons made are false.
Would you can to share any specific reflections?
Science can be, but that is not its primary focus
It is the job of science to describe the world in ever more detail. This description tends to reveal how things work. There is nothing whatever in religion to compare that.
Religion is an early form of morality and politics. It gives itself credibility by inventing cosmologies. Since science has invalidated those cosmologies, with those awful things called "facts", religion has been undermined. Religon has made many efforts to surpress science. But the failure to censor the truth has just made the efforts of religion absurd.
It is a reflection of he idiocy of humanity that religions persist.
Religion has nothing to offer.
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Now remember that half the human population are below average intelligence. Like it or not, these people are in the market for religion. And not surprisingly it is a massive marketplace. Some of the products are not bad. Love thy neighbour, Judge not lest ye be judged ... nothing wrong with that kind of thing. But some of religion's products are the worst kind of evil **** ever invented - worse than Jeeps - and they will destroy you, and cause war, and make life hell.
Thankfully science provides plenty of answers, however when compared to an orange-tinted demagogue urging you to drink bleach, science can seem a bit prosaic even boring, so the problem of what to do with the below average intelligence half of the population will remain. Education could certainly help, but a smarter population would interfere with the plans of the demagogues. So lots of schoolkids even now are taught creationism as if it were factual, and in some parts education is very limited even disallowed if you are female. And despite the human tendency toward destruction including self-destruction, the so-called clever ape still believes he should be in charge So you can thank religion for the sorry mess the world continues to be in.
Then you get otherwise intelligent-seeming people who just have to try and bridge the gap, let's say chasm, between science and religion. For the love of Peanuts I wish they would not bother.
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I don't think science has a method or technique that allows for verification. Science uses 'not-yet-falsified' instead. This is science's greatest strength, as well as its greatest weakness, IMO.
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What if seven billion of us did that?
Maybe the one thing that keeps us from actually solving all of the other problems in the world is this persistent, flawed thought that we are separate from the world. Maybe it’s time we change our minds.”
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Helo Fionafionaimmodest wrote: ↑August 13th, 2021, 5:46 am When you let go of individual survival, all of your priorities change because you actually see the entire world as your body. You see the suffering of others as your own suffering and you want to help. What is the actual power of a human being to really benefit the world, when they are able to put the priorities of the whole system in front of themselves, even if that means they have to die in the process? How many of us can do that right now?
What if seven billion of us did that?
Maybe the one thing that keeps us from actually solving all of the other problems in the world is this persistent, flawed thought that we are separate from the world. Maybe it’s time we change our minds.”
You seem open to contemplating the essence of religion and philosophy below the psychological surface rather than arguing about Trump. It seems to me that an intelligent rather than an indoctrinated person could put scientific facts into "meaning." Facts are easy to prove but for many what provides meaning is a subjective concept acquired by family, friends, and society. However some believe in objective meaning. This means that meaning is a universal perennial truth that Man can "remember" through conscience. Do you believe that objective meaning is a reality or are we limited to invented subjective expressions of meaning that vanish as Man becomes extinct?
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Does that mean that just about any meaning will do, the kind conscience will accept as universal even though there's no such thing??Nick_A wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2021, 1:18 pmHelo Fionafionaimmodest wrote: ↑August 13th, 2021, 5:46 am When you let go of individual survival, all of your priorities change because you actually see the entire world as your body. You see the suffering of others as your own suffering and you want to help. What is the actual power of a human being to really benefit the world, when they are able to put the priorities of the whole system in front of themselves, even if that means they have to die in the process? How many of us can do that right now?
What if seven billion of us did that?
Maybe the one thing that keeps us from actually solving all of the other problems in the world is this persistent, flawed thought that we are separate from the world. Maybe it’s time we change our minds.”
You seem open to contemplating the essence of religion and philosophy below the psychological surface rather than arguing about Trump. It seems to me that an intelligent rather than an indoctrinated person could put scientific facts into "meaning." Facts are easy to prove but for many what provides meaning is a subjective concept acquired by family, friends, and society. However some believe in objective meaning. This means that meaning is a universal perennial truth that Man can "remember" through conscience. Do you believe that objective meaning is a reality or are we limited to invented subjective expressions of meaning that vanish as Man becomes extinct?
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ITegularius wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2021, 6:47 pmDoes that mean that just about any meaning will do, the kind conscience will accept as universal even though there's no such thing??Nick_A wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2021, 1:18 pmHelo Fionafionaimmodest wrote: ↑August 13th, 2021, 5:46 am When you let go of individual survival, all of your priorities change because you actually see the entire world as your body. You see the suffering of others as your own suffering and you want to help. What is the actual power of a human being to really benefit the world, when they are able to put the priorities of the whole system in front of themselves, even if that means they have to die in the process? How many of us can do that right now?
What if seven billion of us did that?
Maybe the one thing that keeps us from actually solving all of the other problems in the world is this persistent, flawed thought that we are separate from the world. Maybe it’s time we change our minds.”
You seem open to contemplating the essence of religion and philosophy below the psychological surface rather than arguing about Trump. It seems to me that an intelligent rather than an indoctrinated person could put scientific facts into "meaning." Facts are easy to prove but for many what provides meaning is a subjective concept acquired by family, friends, and society. However some believe in objective meaning. This means that meaning is a universal perennial truth that Man can "remember" through conscience. Do you believe that objective meaning is a reality or are we limited to invented subjective expressions of meaning that vanish as Man becomes extinct?
I already know that you deny objective meaning and an objective purpose for our universe. But Fiona's style indicates she has thought deeper on the potential for objective meaning and why it is hidden from Man as he normally is.
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