The "Business" of Healthcare & Reproductive Rights

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Although Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C did not discuss reproductive healthcare in her book, one question I thought of while reading her book was this: is for-profit healthcare conducive or detrimental to reproductive justice/rights, and why?
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Samavis89700 wrote: June 6th, 2021, 8:27 pm Although Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C did not discuss reproductive healthcare in her book, one question I thought of while reading her book was this: is for-profit healthcare conducive or detrimental to reproductive justice/rights, and why?
Good point. Socialized medicine could force people to pay for baby killing. Keeping the government out would respect the choice to pay for baby killing.

Of course since your government knows best it is important to support the freedom to kill babies and have everyone pay for it as a public good. Just remember that your government supports the public good so who can be against it?
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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The problem is that when money becomes the main goal it seems that people forget about morality, human rights and life. Do rights and justice go together with capitalism? I think they are opposites opposed
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ReaderAisha2020 wrote: June 7th, 2021, 4:35 pm The problem is that when money becomes the main goal it seems that people forget about morality, human rights and life. Do rights and justice go together with capitalism? I think they are opposites opposed
First it was agreed that God is dead and now it is agreed that philosophy as the love of wisdom is dead. Money is all that is left to supply the need for "meaning." The manipulation of health care is a great source of money and far more important than who lives or dies.
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
Rights and justice only become opposed when both God as the source of meaning and philosophy as the love of wisdom for society as a whole have died. Idolatry replaces God and indoctrination replaces wisdom. The problem isn't capitalism but human nature without the religious and philosophical influences. The result must be a form of statist slavery proving Man as a whole has become incapable of freedom so invites psychological and political slavery.
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Nick_A wrote: June 7th, 2021, 11:32 am
Samavis89700 wrote: June 6th, 2021, 8:27 pm Although Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C did not discuss reproductive healthcare in her book, one question I thought of while reading her book was this: is for-profit healthcare conducive or detrimental to reproductive justice/rights, and why?
Good point. Socialized medicine could force people to pay for baby killing. Keeping the government out would respect the choice to pay for baby killing.

Of course since your government knows best it is important to support the freedom to kill babies and have everyone pay for it as a public good. Just remember that your government supports the public good so who can be against it?
What are your thoughts on paying for birth control, I assume you are all for it, since it reduces baby killing, right?
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LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 2:56 am
Nick_A wrote: June 7th, 2021, 11:32 am
Samavis89700 wrote: June 6th, 2021, 8:27 pm Although Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C did not discuss reproductive healthcare in her book, one question I thought of while reading her book was this: is for-profit healthcare conducive or detrimental to reproductive justice/rights, and why?
Good point. Socialized medicine could force people to pay for baby killing. Keeping the government out would respect the choice to pay for baby killing.

Of course since your government knows best it is important to support the freedom to kill babies and have everyone pay for it as a public good. Just remember that your government supports the public good so who can be against it?
What are your thoughts on paying for birth control, I assume you are all for it, since it reduces baby killing, right?
Since men and women are both responsible for making babies and it hasn't been decided if these unfortunates should be loved or killed, it makes sense to avoid the problem to begin with and have both sexes pay for birth control.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The same holds true with birth control.
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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Nick_A wrote: June 8th, 2021, 8:37 am
LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 2:56 am
Nick_A wrote: June 7th, 2021, 11:32 am
Samavis89700 wrote: June 6th, 2021, 8:27 pm Although Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C did not discuss reproductive healthcare in her book, one question I thought of while reading her book was this: is for-profit healthcare conducive or detrimental to reproductive justice/rights, and why?
Good point. Socialized medicine could force people to pay for baby killing. Keeping the government out would respect the choice to pay for baby killing.

Of course since your government knows best it is important to support the freedom to kill babies and have everyone pay for it as a public good. Just remember that your government supports the public good so who can be against it?
What are your thoughts on paying for birth control, I assume you are all for it, since it reduces baby killing, right?
Since men and women are both responsible for making babies and it hasn't been decided if these unfortunates should be loved or killed, it makes sense to avoid the problem to begin with and have both sexes pay for birth control.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The same holds true with birth control.
Sounds logical to me, though rare among pro-lifers.
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LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 1:49 pm
Nick_A wrote: June 8th, 2021, 8:37 am
LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 2:56 am
Nick_A wrote: June 7th, 2021, 11:32 am

Good point. Socialized medicine could force people to pay for baby killing. Keeping the government out would respect the choice to pay for baby killing.

Of course since your government knows best it is important to support the freedom to kill babies and have everyone pay for it as a public good. Just remember that your government supports the public good so who can be against it?
What are your thoughts on paying for birth control, I assume you are all for it, since it reduces baby killing, right?
Since men and women are both responsible for making babies and it hasn't been decided if these unfortunates should be loved or killed, it makes sense to avoid the problem to begin with and have both sexes pay for birth control.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The same holds true with birth control.
Sounds logical to me, though rare among pro-lifers.
I don't know what you mean by a pro-lifer I am a pro-lifer. This means that I respect life as a universal necessity and it is up to individuals to respect life and the balance of life from conception to death. Pro-choice in contrast believes that people are free to kill or cure depending on which way the wind is blowing. They avoid any serious contemplation on the universal purpose of life by leaving it up to government by laws to decide who lives or dies. They call this freedom pro-choice. Abortion and genocide follow the same pattern of avoiding the essential question of the meaning and purpose of life including human life and pass the buck to a government which understands even less so we end up with abortions and genocides justified by convenience and the old fashioned western slogan: "they deserved killing."

Be honest now: If humanity as a whole has lost the capacity for objective conscience and to feel respect for life, how can health care be anything but a business?
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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Nick_A wrote: June 8th, 2021, 3:38 pm
LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 1:49 pm
Nick_A wrote: June 8th, 2021, 8:37 am
LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 2:56 am

What are your thoughts on paying for birth control, I assume you are all for it, since it reduces baby killing, right?
Since men and women are both responsible for making babies and it hasn't been decided if these unfortunates should be loved or killed, it makes sense to avoid the problem to begin with and have both sexes pay for birth control.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The same holds true with birth control.
Sounds logical to me, though rare among pro-lifers.
I don't know what you mean by a pro-lifer I am a pro-lifer. This means that I respect life as a universal necessity and it is up to individuals to respect life and the balance of life from conception to death. Pro-choice in contrast believes that people are free to kill or cure depending on which way the wind is blowing. They avoid any serious contemplation on the universal purpose of life by leaving it up to government by laws to decide who lives or dies. They call this freedom pro-choice. Abortion and genocide follow the same pattern of avoiding the essential question of the meaning and purpose of life including human life and pass the buck to a government which understands even less so we end up with abortions and genocides justified by convenience and the old fashioned western slogan: "they deserved killing."

Be honest now: If humanity as a whole has lost the capacity for objective conscience and to feel respect for life, how can health care be anything but a business?
Actually you don't have the power to define the thought processes of anyone other than yourself. Sorry.

What were you saying again?
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Whether you have to pay or not for abortions (I would not just call it as baby killing because a fetus is not a baby), I believe that the mother has a right to decide whether to carry on with her pregnancy or not. Why should a mother be forced to bear an uunwanted pregnancy. One will argue that such an opinion will induce irresponsible behaviour. But that is something else that is to be discussed in a separate discussion.
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Nick_A wrote: June 8th, 2021, 8:37 am
LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 2:56 am
Nick_A wrote: June 7th, 2021, 11:32 am
Samavis89700 wrote: June 6th, 2021, 8:27 pm Although Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C did not discuss reproductive healthcare in her book, one question I thought of while reading her book was this: is for-profit healthcare conducive or detrimental to reproductive justice/rights, and why?
Good point. Socialized medicine could force people to pay for baby killing. Keeping the government out would respect the choice to pay for baby killing.

Of course since your government knows best it is important to support the freedom to kill babies and have everyone pay for it as a public good. Just remember that your government supports the public good so who can be against it?
What are your thoughts on paying for birth control, I assume you are all for it, since it reduces baby killing, right?
Since men and women are both responsible for making babies and it hasn't been decided if these unfortunates should be loved or killed, it makes sense to avoid the problem to begin with and have both sexes pay for birth control.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The same holds true with birth control.
Seemingly you suggest the point of having or not having money will be a good factor to control abortions (it is not the only birth control method). But then what about the females who are left with unwanted pregnancies simply because they do not have money? What if they are victims of sexual assaults? Is it fair to force them to carry the baby of the assailant?
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The cause of unwanted pregnancies is that sex is wanted (except in forced sex, and that is a very small percentage).

How it works is that a woman might get pregnant if she accepts sex with a man and does not ensure safety. She can and should reject if she does not want to be pregnant or has not ensured safety(birth control).

Instead, we have an abortion and emergency contraceptives. This together with classic birth control causes an untold amount of social damage.

- many sex partners and ladies may not be able to pair bond with a final mate if she wants to. The genetic material of each partner is imprinted, at some point pair bonding is no longer possible. This leads to a weaker partnership.

- lady can pick the best genetic partner without concern for a man's ability or willingness to provide. She knows she can abort or be funded by the government. This leads to a smaller number of men being shared by many women (the best men according to woman's biological choices) Leaving many men rejected until later in life when a lady is looking for a provider. (this really happens I know men in both groups).

Should free (tax-funded) health care pay for birth control. No, this is one of a small number of root issues of everything. No, instead the woman should reject until she is ready for a family and has secured a man she respects, admires, and will commit to her.
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Sushan wrote: Yesterday, 5:23 am
Nick_A wrote: June 8th, 2021, 8:37 am
LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 2:56 am
Nick_A wrote: June 7th, 2021, 11:32 am

Good point. Socialized medicine could force people to pay for baby killing. Keeping the government out would respect the choice to pay for baby killing.

Of course since your government knows best it is important to support the freedom to kill babies and have everyone pay for it as a public good. Just remember that your government supports the public good so who can be against it?
What are your thoughts on paying for birth control, I assume you are all for it, since it reduces baby killing, right?
Since men and women are both responsible for making babies and it hasn't been decided if these unfortunates should be loved or killed, it makes sense to avoid the problem to begin with and have both sexes pay for birth control.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The same holds true with birth control.
Seemingly you suggest the point of having or not having money will be a good factor to control abortions (it is not the only birth control method). But then what about the females who are left with unwanted pregnancies simply because they do not have money? What if they are victims of sexual assaults? Is it fair to force them to carry the baby of the assailant?
Good luck using the fairness argument discussing reproductive rights issues with a guy.
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LuckyR wrote: Yesterday, 12:54 pm
Sushan wrote: Yesterday, 5:23 am
Nick_A wrote: June 8th, 2021, 8:37 am
LuckyR wrote: June 8th, 2021, 2:56 am

What are your thoughts on paying for birth control, I assume you are all for it, since it reduces baby killing, right?
Since men and women are both responsible for making babies and it hasn't been decided if these unfortunates should be loved or killed, it makes sense to avoid the problem to begin with and have both sexes pay for birth control.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The same holds true with birth control.
Seemingly you suggest the point of having or not having money will be a good factor to control abortions (it is not the only birth control method). But then what about the females who are left with unwanted pregnancies simply because they do not have money? What if they are victims of sexual assaults? Is it fair to force them to carry the baby of the assailant?
Good luck using the fairness argument discussing reproductive rights issues with a guy.
Once the government recognizes baby killing for convenience as a legalized public good, money cannot be an obstacle. Who can deny a public good? Fork over the dough.
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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