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We should be able to agree that everyone during his or her life will require some form of medical care. Given this, it is not a choice, but honestly a necessity for all.
(Page 79 of Kindle version)

Organized healthcare has a long history, but it was not there at the early stages of human life on the earth. Yet the humans prevailed without being perished. But today no one live without the help of some kind of medical care.

Is healthcare an actual necessity or is it been made into a necessity by the healthcare related big businesses and by our own unhealthy behaviours?
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Sushan wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:53 pm This topic is related to the philosophical book for the month of June Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power by Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C

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We should be able to agree that everyone during his or her life will require some form of medical care. Given this, it is not a choice, but honestly a necessity for all.
(Page 79 of Kindle version)

Organized healthcare has a long history, but it was not there at the early stages of human life on the earth. Yet the humans prevailed without being perished. But today no one live without the help of some kind of medical care.

Is healthcare an actual necessity or is it been made into a necessity by the healthcare related big businesses and by our own unhealthy behaviours?
Oh I don't know, is access to the internet a necessity?
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All Western Nations are perfectly capable of offering a free high quality health care service to all its citizens.
It is simply a failure in an act of will that means it is not so.

American governments have been at the mercy of savage capitalism, especially crony capitalism in tis failure to offer decent health care to all. They are at the mercy of the Insurance system which saddles all costs with an added 20%+ to feed the unnecessary insurance companies. The resulting system puts a blank cheque into the hands of the health care provider, whilst the insurance companies fight to disallow claims to maximise their profits.
The patient is the one who suffers since they are either disallowed the treatment or not to pick up the massive residual.
The result is the the average American pays more for less, and the generalised cost per patient is more than twice it is in the NHS in the UK.
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LuckyR wrote: June 17th, 2021, 1:28 am
Sushan wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:53 pm This topic is related to the philosophical book for the month of June Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power by Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C

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We should be able to agree that everyone during his or her life will require some form of medical care. Given this, it is not a choice, but honestly a necessity for all.
(Page 79 of Kindle version)

Organized healthcare has a long history, but it was not there at the early stages of human life on the earth. Yet the humans prevailed without being perished. But today no one live without the help of some kind of medical care.

Is healthcare an actual necessity or is it been made into a necessity by the healthcare related big businesses and by our own unhealthy behaviours?
Oh I don't know, is access to the internet a necessity?
Not at all. The internet in today's form is very much younger than you and me. I used to study from books and for research purposes used libraries. But later on everything was put on internet and at the same time it was converted into an easily accessible medium. So today we have to use it because almost everyone are using it and the old methods will make us loose the pace in today's fast going world.
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Sculptor1 wrote: June 17th, 2021, 7:56 am All Western Nations are perfectly capable of offering a free high quality health care service to all its citizens.
It is simply a failure in an act of will that means it is not so.

American governments have been at the mercy of savage capitalism, especially crony capitalism in tis failure to offer decent health care to all. They are at the mercy of the Insurance system which saddles all costs with an added 20%+ to feed the unnecessary insurance companies. The resulting system puts a blank cheque into the hands of the health care provider, whilst the insurance companies fight to disallow claims to maximise their profits.
The patient is the one who suffers since they are either disallowed the treatment or not to pick up the massive residual.
The result is the the average American pays more for less, and the generalised cost per patient is more than twice it is in the NHS in the UK.
I think you have a point. Yes, most of the developed nanations are pretty mmuch capable of providing free healthcare services for the citizens. But instead of doing that they have brought forward various schemes in order to provide healthcare. Insurance is one such thing, which is not a necessity but the system has made it into a necessity. As the people cannot change the systems such 'made necessities' have become 'actual necessities' nowadays.
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Sushan wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:53 pm
We should be able to agree that everyone during his or her life will require some form of medical care. Given this, it is not a choice, but honestly a necessity for all.
(Page 79 of Kindle version)

Organized healthcare has a long history, but it was not there at the early stages of human life on the earth. Yet the humans prevailed without being perished. But today no one live without the help of some kind of medical care.

Is healthcare an actual necessity or is it been made into a necessity by the healthcare related big businesses and by our own unhealthy behaviours?
It kind of begs the question as to what exactly is a necessity? In the early stages humans did prevail, but they also had much shorter life spans. I would say that medical care has become a certainly become a necessity to being able to enjoy the length and quality of life that we currently enjoy, if nothing else.

It may sound blunt, but in my experience, the only people who never 'require some form of medical care' are perhaps those who simply die suddenly and thereby don't live long enough to develop the need for it.
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Sushan wrote: June 17th, 2021, 8:05 am
LuckyR wrote: June 17th, 2021, 1:28 am
Sushan wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:53 pm This topic is related to the philosophical book for the month of June Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power by Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C

https://forums.onlinebookclub.org/shelv ... ?id=419391

We should be able to agree that everyone during his or her life will require some form of medical care. Given this, it is not a choice, but honestly a necessity for all.
(Page 79 of Kindle version)

Organized healthcare has a long history, but it was not there at the early stages of human life on the earth. Yet the humans prevailed without being perished. But today no one live without the help of some kind of medical care.

Is healthcare an actual necessity or is it been made into a necessity by the healthcare related big businesses and by our own unhealthy behaviours?
Oh I don't know, is access to the internet a necessity?
Not at all. The internet in today's form is very much younger than you and me. I used to study from books and for research purposes used libraries. But later on everything was put on internet and at the same time it was converted into an easily accessible medium. So today we have to use it because almost everyone are using it and the old methods will make us loose the pace in today's fast going world.
Ha, ha. You did a great job of describing how the internet is a practical necessity then concluded that it isn't necessary.

Healthcare follows similarly.
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Organized healthcare has a long history, but it was not there at the early stages of human life on the earth. Yet the humans prevailed without being perished. But today no one live without the help of some kind of medical care.
I'm not sure organized health care has a long history. Modern medicine only really takes off around 1850s and is only free for many nations around 1950.

Evidence is that early humans lived to around 25-35 years usually dying painful horrendous deaths from disease and accident. It wasn't shangri la.

Humans are helped to live longer and with less pain with medical care. No one can live in a civilised manner without medical care particularly when elderly. Its not that human life is dependent on medical care per se in a kind of pharmaceutical company conspiracy.
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LuckyR wrote: June 17th, 2021, 1:28 am
Sushan wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:53 pm This topic is related to the philosophical book for the month of June Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power by Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C

https://forums.onlinebookclub.org/shelv ... ?id=419391

We should be able to agree that everyone during his or her life will require some form of medical care. Given this, it is not a choice, but honestly a necessity for all.
(Page 79 of Kindle version)

Organized healthcare has a long history, but it was not there at the early stages of human life on the earth. Yet the humans prevailed without being perished. But today no one live without the help of some kind of medical care.

Is healthcare an actual necessity or is it been made into a necessity by the healthcare related big businesses and by our own unhealthy behaviours?
Oh I don't know, is access to the internet a necessity?
No, but is access to an appendectomy a necessity for anyone with appendicitis?
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Sushan wrote: June 17th, 2021, 8:05 am
LuckyR wrote: June 17th, 2021, 1:28 am
Sushan wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:53 pm This topic is related to the philosophical book for the month of June Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power by Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C

https://forums.onlinebookclub.org/shelv ... ?id=419391

We should be able to agree that everyone during his or her life will require some form of medical care. Given this, it is not a choice, but honestly a necessity for all.
(Page 79 of Kindle version)

Organized healthcare has a long history, but it was not there at the early stages of human life on the earth. Yet the humans prevailed without being perished. But today no one live without the help of some kind of medical care.

Is healthcare an actual necessity or is it been made into a necessity by the healthcare related big businesses and by our own unhealthy behaviours?
Oh I don't know, is access to the internet a necessity?
Not at all. The internet in today's form is very much younger than you and me. I used to study from books and for research purposes used libraries. But later on everything was put on internet and at the same time it was converted into an easily accessible medium. So today we have to use it because almost everyone are using it and the old methods will make us loose the pace in today's fast going world.
Yes, the internet is more efficient than the library, but is either necessary for survival of the species? Without research the human condition may not improve, but wouldn’t humans be able to survive?

Lack of research does not mean lack of new knowledge. There are other, less efficient ways to learn, e.g., from direct experience. Lack of research suggests lack of curiosity, yet curiosity did not support the cat’s survival. :lol:
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AverageBozo wrote: June 18th, 2021, 9:43 am
LuckyR wrote: June 17th, 2021, 1:28 am
Sushan wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:53 pm This topic is related to the philosophical book for the month of June Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power by Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C

https://forums.onlinebookclub.org/shelv ... ?id=419391

We should be able to agree that everyone during his or her life will require some form of medical care. Given this, it is not a choice, but honestly a necessity for all.
(Page 79 of Kindle version)

Organized healthcare has a long history, but it was not there at the early stages of human life on the earth. Yet the humans prevailed without being perished. But today no one live without the help of some kind of medical care.

Is healthcare an actual necessity or is it been made into a necessity by the healthcare related big businesses and by our own unhealthy behaviours?
Oh I don't know, is access to the internet a necessity?
No, but is access to an appendectomy a necessity for anyone with appendicitis?
Well, technically you could use antibiotics for a while...
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LuckyR wrote: June 18th, 2021, 5:52 pm
AverageBozo wrote: June 18th, 2021, 9:43 am
LuckyR wrote: June 17th, 2021, 1:28 am
Sushan wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:53 pm This topic is related to the philosophical book for the month of June Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power by Barbara Galutia Regis PA-C

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(Page 79 of Kindle version)

Organized healthcare has a long history, but it was not there at the early stages of human life on the earth. Yet the humans prevailed without being perished. But today no one live without the help of some kind of medical care.

Is healthcare an actual necessity or is it been made into a necessity by the healthcare related big businesses and by our own unhealthy behaviours?
Oh I don't know, is access to the internet a necessity?
No, but is access to an appendectomy a necessity for anyone with appendicitis?
Well, technically you could use antibiotics for a while...
Or you could die of peritonitis when your appendix ruptured.
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AverageBozo wrote: June 18th, 2021, 6:52 pm
LuckyR wrote: June 18th, 2021, 5:52 pm
AverageBozo wrote: June 18th, 2021, 9:43 am
LuckyR wrote: June 17th, 2021, 1:28 am

Oh I don't know, is access to the internet a necessity?
No, but is access to an appendectomy a necessity for anyone with appendicitis?
Well, technically you could use antibiotics for a while...
Or you could die of peritonitis when your appendix ruptured.
We're all going to die. But seriously drugs do have a 73% cure rate.
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LuckyR wrote: June 18th, 2021, 6:58 pm
AverageBozo wrote: June 18th, 2021, 6:52 pm
LuckyR wrote: June 18th, 2021, 5:52 pm
AverageBozo wrote: June 18th, 2021, 9:43 am

No, but is access to an appendectomy a necessity for anyone with appendicitis?
Well, technically you could use antibiotics for a while...
Or you could die of peritonitis when your appendix ruptured.
We're all going to die. But seriously drugs do have a 73% cure rate.
You can’t mean that a mortality rate of 27% is acceptable. The possibility of rupture without surgical intervention is severe enough to necessitate surgery.

But you’re right: we all will die. It isn’t necessary to attempt to avoid something as inescapable as death.

It really isn’t necessary to avoid pain and suffering. That makes healthcare a frill rather than a necessity.

I now see why anyone would say that healthcare isn’t a necessity even in the direst of circumstances.
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AverageBozo wrote: June 18th, 2021, 7:19 pm
LuckyR wrote: June 18th, 2021, 6:58 pm
AverageBozo wrote: June 18th, 2021, 6:52 pm
LuckyR wrote: June 18th, 2021, 5:52 pm

Well, technically you could use antibiotics for a while...
Or you could die of peritonitis when your appendix ruptured.
We're all going to die. But seriously drugs do have a 73% cure rate.
You can’t mean that a mortality rate of 27% is acceptable. The possibility of rupture without surgical intervention is severe enough to necessitate surgery.

But you’re right: we all will die. It isn’t necessary to attempt to avoid something as inescapable as death.

It really isn’t necessary to avoid pain and suffering. That makes healthcare a frill rather than a necessity.

I now see why anyone would say that healthcare isn’t a necessity even in the direst of circumstances.
This has been fun.

Of course, antibiotics are an example of healthcare. Using them as first-line treatment with surgical backup is routinely done within parameters.

I, too agree that in the 21st century Healthcare (like the internet) is a practical necessity (the caveman experience notwithstanding).
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