I un Itderstood that. Though it is really a different issue than the one around prioritizing calm and putting calm as one of a number of states that are positive.
Standing back and cutting them off from expression contains a judgement. External things are ok and we accept them, but internal phenomena like emotions need to be cut off from expression. Again, go to any Buddhist or Hindu religious community and express, even without much sound at all, a range of emotions and you will find out very fast there are judgments fo these emotions.One may need to stand back and observe them to understand their source, but judgement of them would impede that process.
Well, gosh. If you agree with me that calmness need not be prioritized over other states, we could have started with that as some agreement. In case I was responding to someone who put calmness in a false dichotomy and this dichotomy makes it seem like one should prioritize calmness. I don't think this is coincidental in a thread on Nirvana and often Buddhism, but it was what I was responding to."Yes, one can do calligraphy and engage in certain kinds of artistic activity while calm, but putting a priority on this state is a choice not to live in other ways."
I have not seen anyone other than you suggest in this thread that calmness should be prioritized, that would be foolish. The priority is on becoming more Self-aware, not on attaining and maintaining some particular mental-emotional state or on living a particular lifestyle.
So_ It was prioritized in that post of Greta's in a false dichotomy.
No desire. Not just observing desires, without desires. You are not in a dynamic state and no artist I know of worked without desires and wishes. No inventor either.weight said....
Nirvana is a state without desire, without wish, without thirst. It is liberation from suffering and extinction from the three poisons: ignorance, hatred and lust. There are two stages to nirvana, one while alive and one in death. The one while alive would be a person who has attained complete liberation, wisdom and release from desire and suffering. In death it would be considered the complete cessation from everything, consciousness, rebirth, life and death.
To accept things is to not react with so-called negative emotions. It is not to desire something else. And I think implicitly 'calm' is prioritized also. To reach an artistic goal or a practical creative goal, requires constant problem solving, rejection of certain things, trying again, and frustration. desires and goals and attachment to reaching those goals. A dynamic life.You;
Non-attachment is a better description: everything is accepted,
I have a lot of experience of Buddhism both in the East and the West. I understand the problem those traditions are trying to solve. I cannot see how anyone experiencing these traditions could deny they prioritize calmness and judge desire and emotional expression negatively. If that is what one wants, great, it is not a problem for that person. But if we are speaking in general, then I see no reason to universalize the goodness of Buddhist priorities. Nor to deny them.
Here we have someone inhibiting the body's and the emotions in reaction to incredible physical pain and death and this is called accomplishment. IOW prioritizing calm reactions to such things over dynamic or expressive ones.Here and Now: Buddhists perhaps are impervious, accomplished ones, at any rate. Consider Vietnamese Thích Quảng Đức who set himself on fire, and the many other self immolating protesters in Tibet. Hard to believe it, but they appear to be altogether in control of the pain. That's impervious.
Here's Here and Now explaining what Zen Buddhists are doing:
Try to have a dynamic artistic or inventing life while doing those things.They retreat from that Heideggarian temporal throwness by not giving the mind expression when it insists on wanting, hungering for, and defining and fixing;