Why is man supposed to be evil?

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Why does "the natural man not receive the things of the Spirit of God"? Does he have an option to choose?

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Why does "the natural man not receive the things of the Spirit of God"? Does he have an option to choose?
Yes, he must focus on them (the things of the Spirit) to receive them. As with any ability, one must devote one's attention to it to cultivate it.

-- Updated Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:07 pm to add the following --

Sorry, incomplete thought, I was interrupted....

Re: "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

As stated, one rejects what seems foolish to one, but when one develops the capacity for spiritual discernment, one finds truth in that which formerly appeared false or frivolous. But I'm sure what your question is....
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Felix wrote:Why does "the natural man not receive the things of the Spirit of God"? Does he have an option to choose?

-- Updated Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:47 pm to add the following --
Why does "the natural man not receive the things of the Spirit of God"? Does he have an option to choose?
Yes, he must focus on them (the things of the Spirit) to receive them. As with any ability, one must devote one's attention to it to cultivate it.

-- Updated Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:07 pm to add the following --

Sorry, incomplete thought, I was interrupted....

Re: "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

As stated, one rejects what seems foolish to one, but when one develops the capacity for spiritual discernment, one finds truth in that which formerly appeared false or frivolous. But I'm sure what your question is....
I am confused now. Did God create man or did He not? If He did, how did man reject whatever he rejected so as not to receive the things of the Spirit of God? Did man have the option to reject these things at the time of the creation of that particular man? When was this? At childbirth? Conception?
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Vijay, I don't necessarily believe any of these ideas, I was just attempting to answer your OP question.

The so-called "natural man" would be anyone who is not spiritually enlightened. As to why some people are drawn to spiritual matters and discern truths in them, who can say. You may as well ask why some people have any other aptitude or talent: artistic, scientific or whatever. But just as there as genuine musical or scientific geniuses, there are what could be called spiritual geniuses, likely to be as rare as the others.
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Felix wrote:You may as well ask why some people have any other aptitude or talent: artistic, scientific or whatever. But just as there as genuine musical or scientific geniuses, there are what could be called spiritual geniuses, likely to be as rare as the others.
While Einstein learned more about physics and great composers produce great music, what would naturally great spiritualists do aside from teach? What would they teach? (roughly)
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I'd say that spiritual "geniuses" teach, mostly by example, that one can live in wonder, with joy, empathy, compassion. One can transcend one's physical circumstances and be free.
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Felix wrote:Vijay, I don't necessarily believe any of these ideas, I was just attempting to answer your OP question.

The so-called "natural man" would be anyone who is not spiritually enlightened. As to why some people are drawn to spiritual matters and discern truths in them, who can say. You may as well ask why some people have any other aptitude or talent: artistic, scientific or whatever. But just as there as genuine musical or scientific geniuses, there are what could be called spiritual geniuses, likely to be as rare as the others.
The only reason you cannot believe in them is that you are not convinced by them. So you cannot really use them as arguments, can you?

Anyway, why would people not be spiritually enlightened if God wanted them to be spiritually enlightened and he created man? Basically, anyway you look at it, it falls back to God.

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Felix wrote:I'd say that spiritual "geniuses" teach, mostly by example, that one can live in wonder, with joy, empathy, compassion. One can transcend one's physical circumstances and be free.
Name one.
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I do not think man is evil. I think man is naturally good. when we are born as baby, or when we are kid, we do not generally call baby evil or evil kid.

We learn evil. Evil is definition, we define evil. There are general universal evil, but most evil from frame of reference. One person might to evil to one committee, however in other committee is consider a hero, or good.

The true nature of man is good. If a person find himself, he is one of most nicest person, good person. (unless he has mental disorder)
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Earthellism answers why is man supposed to be evil? A baby born is pure and innocent and good. No newborn is evil at birth. Hitler was born as a innocent and good baby boy. Here on earthell where God is not present but God's love radiates us all, human beings can become human devils. As a child grows up he or she learns about the concepts of a human soul, the concept of God and the concept of Hell. These three concepts define the trifecta of evil or the trifecta of good. When a adolescent becomes an adult one chooses to believe or not to believe in these 3 concepts. When a human being chooses not to believe that everyone has a human soul AND chooses not to believe in a God AND chooses not to believe in Hell, they have the foundation to become a human devil. Man chooses to be evil once they deny Hell and God and deny that everyone has a human soul. This is how a genocide begins and grows. Earthellism is a philosophy that prevents genocide by defining human evil. Earthellism can prevent future genocides by educating killers that they have converted themselves from human beings to human devils and will not get to go to Heaven and experience God. This also educates victims of genocide that they are in hell being killed by human devils. The victims are guaranteed heaven and fully being compensated by God and their killers will rot in earthell for earth's eternity.
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Belief in gods is definitely not an inoculation against genocide. There have been plenty of genocides that used religion as their raison d'être.
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The genocides based on religion were also based on a cruel and vindictive God. We are all God’s children and all our souls were created by a loving and just God.
God would never justify killing innocent human beings here on earthell. It is that God cannot stop such evil acts here.
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Darshan wrote: November 20th, 2020, 11:13 pm The genocides based on religion were also based on a cruel and vindictive God. We are all God’s children and all our souls were created by a loving and just God.
God would never justify killing innocent human beings here on earthell. It is that God cannot stop such evil acts here.
With all due respect, any god that you are qualified to speak for with authority isn't much of a god.
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