Should people marry? It seems that God would forbid it.

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Greta wrote:
Greta wrote: (Nested quote removed.)


(Nested quote removed.)

Personally, I'd not worry and let consenting adults be happy together, whatever the configuration of intimate parties. However, polyamory has a significant legal stumbling block in the case of divorce and distribution of assets. The negotiations can be hell with two people so a group divorce could be a nightmare of complexity.
I am sure that the courts can handle it so I do not see that as relevant. They deal with class actions with many claimants and get past them. Free choice is the best, but again, just where we are all in about the same basic boat. If half the town were of one mindset and the other half of another, it would not take long before those with only the one partner would soon be impoverished by the other bunch. Eugenics is tied to earning power and multiple earners in one group will quickly impoverish the other with less earning power.

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Sure, I'm fine with protections for beta males and prevention of small fiefdoms being built.[/quote]

Good insight.

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Jerrygg38 wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Should people marry? It seems that God would forbid it.

Christian scriptures say that in heaven, there is no marriage.

When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. http://biblehub.com/mark/12-25.htm

As above so below, on earth as it is in heaven, indicates that when God returns to reclaim dominion from Satan, marriage will be abolished.

Why then do most religion of the Abrahamic root advocate marriage at all. Especially the polygamy. God does not favor marriage. If no two souls are to marry in heaven, then the law on earth should be that no two people marry.

We should emulate Jesus in all things and remember that as a Jew, he was almost forced by tradition to marry yet never did even though Gnostic Christian scriptures show him as loving Mary Magdalen more than his male disciples. Even kissing her on the (unknown parts). That is why I suggest that Jesus married Mary. Marriage was expected of all Rabbis.

This modern Gnostic Christian thinks marriage is the way to go, with a single mate, be that a mate of the same gender or not. Love is what is important. Not gender. That aside, I think that frees choice should reign in this issue.

Do you think we should abolish marriage and move closer to God’s heavenly law?

Regards DL
The way I interpret the Bible and Gospels indicates two different levels of salvation. Isaiah specifies new heavens and a new Earth. This indicates a cosmic reincarnation process where a Jew and those who follow the Jews will be born again upon the physical world of the higher Earth. There they will find a physical Moses and a physical Jesus. When we study the Gospels we find a different level of salvation. Those who have reached a level of spiritual purity over many lifetimes will achieve angelic salvation. This is not individual salvation, it is collective salvation. That means that millions of billions of souls will produce a single angel of God. In the process the self is gone. Paul points out that Christians who are unable to be celibate should marry. This eliminate them from angelic salvation. Then they must align themselves to the Jewish Bible so that their souls become Judanized and thus eligible for the cosmic reincarnation process. In any event this is how I interpret the differences is offers of salvation to the Jew and the Christian. What do you think of this analysis?
All analysis of myths are as viable as any other. That are, after all, supposed to stimulate our imagination just as the imagination of the originator was.

Since God is to remain an unknown quantity, all we can know for sure is that all that is said of God is speculative nonsense.

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Greatest I am wrote:
Greta wrote: (Nested quote removed.)
As a believer in my heterogeneous evolved God, the myths appear spiritually true. within the myth is information that can be studied and analyzed. To me God is not unknown as I speak to the spiritual world and receive answers in return. then I must study the answers. Is the scientific data I get true or false? Do I understand the data? For 33 years I have studied the information to make sense of it. Many people just feel communication with God or the spiritual world. It makes them happy. I was never happy with the Bible. Yet it appears to contain sufficient spiritual information within the mythology to appear valid. Religious people reach out to God and they get some feedback from their spiritual dimension. The Bible and Gospels resonate with them. From a logical philosophical viewpoint this is all nonsense. It certainly appears that way to those who deny the spiritual dimension. Many people feel the unknown quantity. The religious leaders often enrich themselves or love the power over their fellow man to inflame the masses with their visions. for myself I am only a student of God and the Universe. I do not worship God. I am not religious. Yet I try to understand what I study. To me God and the Universe is an interesting entity.
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Greatest I am wrote:Since God is to remain an unknown quantity, all we can know for sure is that all that is said of God is speculative nonsense.

Regards DL
I agree wholeheartedly, but I find it an interesting conclusion since the OP was your idea, after all...
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Jerrygg38 wrote:
Greatest I am wrote: (Nested quote removed.)
As a believer in my heterogeneous evolved God, the myths appear spiritually true. within the myth is information that can be studied and analyzed. To me God is not unknown as I speak to the spiritual world and receive answers in return. then I must study the answers. Is the scientific data I get true or false? Do I understand the data? For 33 years I have studied the information to make sense of it. Many people just feel communication with God or the spiritual world. It makes them happy. I was never happy with the Bible. Yet it appears to contain sufficient spiritual information within the mythology to appear valid. Religious people reach out to God and they get some feedback from their spiritual dimension. The Bible and Gospels resonate with them. From a logical philosophical viewpoint this is all nonsense. It certainly appears that way to those who deny the spiritual dimension. Many people feel the unknown quantity. The religious leaders often enrich themselves or love the power over their fellow man to inflame the masses with their visions. for myself I am only a student of God and the Universe. I do not worship God. I am not religious. Yet I try to understand what I study. To me God and the Universe is an interesting entity.
I like to use the term evolving perfection for nature. Otherwise, a perfect God or nature becomes a stagnant pool of information and our souls and consciousness as a part of that perfection would be useless to the universe.

Evolving, the perfection of whatever God and nature was, to whatever God and nature will be, means we have to think this way, unless you see God as somehow losing his initial perfection. This is not allowed in a perfect God’s or natures repertoire.

When this was written, most thought it to just be a cynical view of life but I think it is quite true and irrefutable, based on the anthropic principle and pure logic.

What do you think?

Candide. "It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

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This is done by nature and not a God but would be a requirement of a God if he were real.

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LuckyR wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Since God is to remain an unknown quantity, all we can know for sure is that all that is said of God is speculative nonsense.

Regards DL
I agree wholeheartedly, but I find it an interesting conclusion since the OP was your idea, after all...
Indeed. I saw a lot of speculative nonsense on marriage and divorce and chose to investigate.

Like God favoring men with many wives while advocating a one on one type of marriage.

Such contradictions within other issues abound.

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Greatest I am wrote:
LuckyR wrote: (Nested quote removed.)


I agree wholeheartedly, but I find it an interesting conclusion since the OP was your idea, after all...
Indeed. I saw a lot of speculative nonsense on marriage and divorce and chose to investigate.

Like God favoring men with many wives while advocating a one on one type of marriage.

Such contradictions within other issues abound.

Regards DL
Not too surprising for a book written by many men and edited by many more over long periods of time to have contradictions.
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LuckyR wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:

(Nested quote removed.)


Indeed. I saw a lot of speculative nonsense on marriage and divorce and chose to investigate.

Like God favoring men with many wives while advocating a one on one type of marriage.

Such contradictions within other issues abound.

Regards DL
Not too surprising for a book written by many men and edited by many more over long periods of time to have contradictions.
As a Gnostic Christian, I agree that they were put in with purpose but literalists will not buy that.

Then again, most literalists are not that bright.

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Literalist equates to "fundamentalist", no?
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LuckyR wrote:Literalist equates to "fundamentalist", no?
In the way people usually thing. Yes.

I am fundamental to Gnostic Christianity but am not a literalist.

As an esoteric ecumenist, I am not quite true to what that label describes but have chosen to take on the label of Gnostic Christian because of the effect I think/hope I can have on the destruction of the immoral Christianity that we now have.

Without apotheosis though, I would not have labelled myself at all.

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Jesus said they neither give nor take in marriage in heaven, then he give us the lords prayer saying, 'thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven'.
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God also states in the bible that we should love our wife as we love the church. Marriage is actually a big topic in the bible, because it is ordained by God. No we will not be married in heaven but marriage is still sacred to God here on earth.
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TheDwazy wrote:God also states in the bible that we should love our wife as we love the church. Marriage is actually a big topic in the bible, because it is ordained by God. No we will not be married in heaven but marriage is still sacred to God here on earth.
Yeah but there are a lot of inappropriate passages in the Bible, so that doesn't mean anything. Besides God didn't write the Bible.
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