Predation in 'Intelligent Design" ???

[Jklint]

Still no answer to these question from theists, other than total gobbledygook.I wonder why?

...probably because it's much more difficult to come up with an exceptionally intelligent theist based on the little they have to work with - virtually all contained in scripture and traditions - than a reasonably intelligent atheist whose raison d'etre is based on all the data that's available to them, historically, archeologically, biologically, scientifically, etc. If "data" equals intelligence, then theists are the losers.

What really surprises me is the non-realization by the so-called intelligent on this site that the thin veil of psychosis which permeates most of the theistic arguments made is clearly invulnerable to any rationalizations offered in spite of endlessly trying. Is this meant to be some kind of intellectual sport? For me it's become pure boredom and sick in itself when the "so-called" intelligent require the constant stimulation of those who perversely argue against any rational and reasonable arguments made.

Philosophy sites, I thought, were supposed to be mentally stimulating but that's seldom true, the opposite is and only serves to dull one's edge with time spent. It's evermore clear that trying to interface with humans in this manner is not worth one's slightest effort. It's like trying to communicate with some alien species one has nothing in common with. I'm very much regretting all the time I've spent here along with what amounts to all the useless posts I've written and all the time wasting useless ones I've read.

There are books I have demanding to be read like the Tristan Chord, long on my list, the subject of which is thoroughly beyond the interest or scope of anyone here. For the sake of supplying more oxygen to one's ever diminishing fund of neurons it's time to wean oneself away from philosophy forums with the exception of short takes à la Harbal if still allowed. Either way, I don't care.

Look at the two who are debasing themselves in the process of conversation. SICK!

Have you even bothered to read the full post the quote below was taken from and to whom it was originally addressed?

...You theists certainly have big problems of your own. It's clear that God has NOT improved your personalities ...but then when has He ever. Too many still keep infecting themselves with this self-generated abstraction into some hallucinogenic God belief and debasing themselves in the process.

Humans are most worthless and frustrating creatures to communicate with. If only I could have my cat back...worth a thousand times more than anyone I ever talked to.

[Sy Borg]

Philosophy sites, I thought, were supposed to be mentally stimulating but that's seldom true, the opposite is and only serves to dull one's edge with time spent. It's evermore clear that trying to interface with humans in this manner is not worth one's slightest effort. It's like trying to communicate with some alien species one has nothing in common with. I'm very much regretting all the time I've spent here along with what amounts to all the useless posts I've written and all the time wasting useless ones I've read.

There are books I have demanding to be read like the Tristan Chord, long on my list, the subject of which is thoroughly beyond the interest or scope of anyone here. For the sake of supplying more oxygen to one's ever diminishing fund of neurons it's time to wean oneself away from philosophy forums with the exception of short takes à la Harbal if still allowed. Either way, I don't care.

Excellent rant, JK. I don't think you left anyone out! People are always drifting in and out of forums.

I'd not heard of the Tristan chord before and just looked it up. That's a benefit of forums - you can learn something interesting even when being told to p1ss off

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I do agree that the "sport" with theists tends not to be enlightening - straw person v straw person.

[Jklint]

Excellent rant, JK. I don't think you left anyone out!

Thank you for reassuring me. It wouldn't have been democratic had I left anyone out.

I'd not heard of the Tristan chord before and just looked it up. That's a benefit of forums - you can learn something interesting even when being told to p1ss off

I would have expected nothing less of the intellectuals here than to have "looked it up".

[Sy Borg]

JK, I hope you can find people to talk to who you consider your intellectual equals.

[Misty]

JK, I hope you can find people to talk to who you consider your intellectual equals.

He only needs to go the nearest animal shelter and pick up any stray cat - or sit across from a mirror while reading The Tritan chord - or better yet playing The Tristan chord to the amazement of his new cat sleeping on his lap -

[Belinda]

Misty wrote:

playing The Tristan chord to the amazement of his new cat sleeping on his lap -

It's on YouTube so the experiment could be done. Animals especially companion animals do understand human emotions and their various expressions by the human face and body so the cat might appreciate music vicariously. Thanks for introducing me to the Tristan chord, Jklint.

[Okisites]

.. You theists certainly have big problems of your own. It's clear that God has NOT improved your personalities ...but then when has He ever. Too many still keep infecting themselves with this self-generated abstraction into some hallucinogenic God belief and debasing themselves in the process.

That's the best quote I could find to date, to describe the the mental disease (handicap) that is called: religion.

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Still no answer to these question from theists, other than total gobbledygook.I wonder why?

...probably because it's much more difficult to come up with an exceptionally intelligent theist based on the little they have to work with - virtually all contained in scripture and traditions - than a reasonably intelligent atheist whose raison d'etre is based on all the data that's available to them, historically, archeologically, biologically, scientifically, etc. If "data" equals intelligence, then theists are the losers.

What really surprises me is the non-realization by the so-called intelligent on this site that the thin veil of psychosis which permeates most of the theistic arguments made is clearly invulnerable to any rationalizations offered in spite of endlessly trying. Is this meant to be some kind of intellectual sport? For me it's become pure boredom and sick in itself when the "so-called" intelligent require the constant stimulation of those who perversely argue against any rational and reasonable arguments made.

Philosophy sites, I thought, were supposed to be mentally stimulating but that's seldom true, the opposite is and only serves to dull one's edge with time spent. It's evermore clear that trying to interface with humans in this manner is not worth one's slightest effort. It's like trying to communicate with some alien species one has nothing in common with. I'm very much regretting all the time I've spent here along with what amounts to all the useless posts I've written and all the time wasting useless ones I've read.

There are books I have demanding to be read like the Tristan Chord, long on my list, the subject of which is thoroughly beyond the interest or scope of anyone here. For the sake of supplying more oxygen to one's ever diminishing fund of neurons it's time to wean oneself away from philosophy forums with the exception of short takes à la Harbal if still allowed. Either way, I don't care.

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Philosophy sites, I thought, were supposed to be mentally stimulating but that's seldom true, the opposite is and only serves to dull one's edge with time spent. It's evermore clear that trying to interface with humans in this manner is not worth one's slightest effort. It's like trying to communicate with some alien species one has nothing in common with. I'm very much regretting all the time I've spent here along with what amounts to all the useless posts I've written and all the time wasting useless ones I've read.

There are books I have demanding to be read like the Tristan Chord, long on my list, the subject of which is thoroughly beyond the interest or scope of anyone here. For the sake of supplying more oxygen to one's ever diminishing fund of neurons it's time to wean oneself away from philosophy forums with the exception of short takes à la Harbal if still allowed. Either way, I don't care.

Excellent rant, JK. I don't think you left anyone out! People are always drifting in and out of forums.

I do agree that the "sport" with theists tends not to be enlightening - straw person v straw person.

I think above quoted posts could be the proof that atheists discuss in ad hominem style of arguments about theists, and, think of themselves as very intelligents.

Somewhere I heard a quote, here it is:-

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people

I don't know the author, but I must say that you people have dragged me to your level.

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[Misty]

[quote="Okisites [Somewhere I heard a quote, here it is:-[/color]

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people

I don't know the author, but I must say that you people have dragged me to your level.

.[/quote]


The quote is attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt, but:

https://en.wikequote.org/wiki/Eleanor_ Roosevelt

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I would say that all minds have something to contribute to the understanding of life. In reality all minds are one, expressing different aspects of the whole. Perhaps that is how man is made in the image of God.

[Sy Borg]

Okisites, re: your "proof" including me.

Do you believe that theist/atheist debates DON'T tend to be a battle of straw persons, with each side repeatedly demolishing imagined foes? My post was not an ad hominem. Further, I'm not an atheist. Nor do I think you are in a position to judge JK or anyone else for having a meltdown or engaging in ad hominems after the wild invective you posted here a few weeks ago.

Whatever, I'm out, and the topic is predation.

[Jklint]

Thanks for introducing me to the Tristan chord, Jklint.

You're welcome! It contains a lot of biography, history and philosophy. What's ironic is it takes a Brit or American to write a decent biography of Wagner which must include the philosophies of both Schopenhauer and Nietzsche. Bryan Magee is definitely the right man for it and very lucid on what can be a difficult subject when you put it all together. Commentaries on the Ring alone encompass whole libraries.

You may find the following review of interest or help determine if you still wish to commit to this kind of extended subject. If you do you won't find any followers here except perhaps for Elder.

nytimes.com/2001/12/02/books/review/02T ... ITTET.html

Good Reading

[Misty]

[quote="Jklint

Look at the two who are debasing themselves in the process of conversation. SICK!

Have you even bothered to read the full post the quote below was taken from and to whom it was originally addressed?

Hi JKlint, Yes, I did read it. How have I misunderstood you?

[Elder]

Still no answer to these question from theists, other than total gobbledygook.I wonder why?

What really surprises me is the non-realization by the so-called intelligent on this site that the thin veil of psychosis which permeates most of the theistic arguments made is clearly invulnerable to any rationalizations offered in spite of endlessly trying. Is this meant to be some kind of intellectual sport?

Jklint, you did not consider one possible motivation.

The only reason I talk to theists, and raise religious issues, is to provide antidote to current and possible future victims of this contagious mental disease that is called religion.

There are lots of people out there who are not sure and can be swayed by the convoluted gobbledygook of the theists and they need all the help they can get.

I am compassionate enough to make the effort, even though it tends to be excruciatingly boring, as you pointed out..

As I said in a previous post:

Spreading religion is one of the greatest crimes one can commit against individuals and society, because religion attacks the fundamental rules of rational thinking in people, especially the young and not quite mature minds, and thus can cause great harm.

The social insanity, all around us, such as crime, corruption, war, exploitation, etc., is possible only because the majority of citizens is unable to think clearly, logically, critically, and by analyzing the symptoms, see the causes and the solutions.

Religion is most harmful because the ‘faith’ they insist on is contrary to the basic rules of scientific and logical thought process. If the religion’s victim believes the childish, ridiculous, contradictory and illogical tenets of the church, this only proves that the victim gave up his right to independent and critical thinking and, consequently, will fall victim to the unscrupulous and corrupt politicians and business people, who are the main cause of the terrible problems facing their nation.

There is no alternative to logical and critical thought processes: either we know how to discover reality and truth, or we fall prey to our exploiters.

The main accomplishment of religions, not just now but throughout all history, has been exactly that".

[Elder]

If only I could have my cat back...worth a thousand times more than anyone I ever talked to.

goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/8706051 ... cat-is-ill

[Okisites]

Somewhere I heard a quote, here it is:-[/color]

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people

I don't know the author, but I must say that you people have dragged me to your level.

The quote is attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt, but:

https://en.wikequote.org/wiki/Eleanor_ Roosevelt

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I am sorry Mam but that link is not opening from here, and it is not confirmed that it is said by Eleanor Roosevelt. Here is a very interesting article in the following link, I suggest everyone to read:-

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/11/18/great-minds/

And, if you know then plese tell me how many of the author to whom this quote is attributed, are theists. This is very important, as that quote represents the idea, not the people.

I would say that all minds have something to contribute to the understanding of life. In reality all minds are one, expressing different aspects of the whole. Perhaps that is how man is made in the image of God.

Exactly, that is why all different kind of life is made/created/evolved to contribute to each and every kind of understanding of life and everything. Without bad/evil, how can you understand bad/evil or even good/right, why would you critically analyze to understand which is created to make you understand. This has to be understood.

Okisites, re: your "proof" including me.

Do you believe that theist/atheist debates DON'T tend to be a battle of straw persons, with each side repeatedly demolishing imagined foes? My post was not an ad hominem. Further, I'm not an atheist. Nor do I think you are in a position to judge JK or anyone else for having a meltdown or engaging in ad hominems after the wild invective you posted here a few weeks ago.

Whatever, I'm out, and the topic is predation.

You all are engaged in talking about the theists in a derogatory manner, which is not on topic, which seems like some stupid talk, abusing, and giving it the name of discussion. It is quite usual perception I think.

Secondly, That is not my behaviour what happened few weeks ago, it is completely an act in drunked condition, and I apologised for it, and still feel embarassment of that act. It is shameful for me.

[Elder]

Philosophy sites, I thought, were supposed to be mentally stimulating but that's seldom true, the opposite is and only serves to dull one's edge with time spent. It's evermore clear that trying to interface with humans in this manner is not worth one's slightest effort. It's like trying to communicate with some alien species one has nothing in common with. I'm very much regretting all the time I've spent here along with what amounts to all the useless posts I've written and all the time wasting useless ones I've read.

Except for the inspiration I get for my poetry:

goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/8706441 ... tom-people