Proof of God

[Sculptor1]

The love that we subjectively experience is different from the love that is God in the verse "God is love". Therefore your argument doesn't follow.

How is it different? How can YOU perceive or sense anything besides subjectively?

It is what you do with the analysis of your sense that can make objective statements.

[Belindi]

Here's a copy of the OP:

1 John 4:8 defines God as love, so God is love.

If love exists, then God exists. Love exists, therefore God exists.

Love ≡ God Love ∴ God

Is the form correct? It's been a long time since I have done logical proofs.

Your "logical proof" fails because of the word 'exists'. John did not explain anything about love's existence whether constant or sporadic existence. Your comment would do well without your trying to make a second premise. I agree with your conclusion as to what John meant.

[Newme]

How is it different? How can YOU perceive or sense anything besides subjectively?

It is what you do with the analysis of your sense that can make objective statements.

In subjectively interpreted terms like God and love - how do you “analyze your sense to make objective statements” without ignoring many others’ different interpretations?

[Sculptor1]

It is what you do with the analysis of your sense that can make objective statements.

In subjectively interpreted terms like God and love - how do you “analyze your sense to make objective statements” without ignoring many others’ different interpretations?

Well you do not. No statements are objective unless they comply and agree with other people's viewpoints. The analysis of your sensations includes consultations with others critically

[Courage]

1 John 4:8 defines God as love, so God is love.

If love exists, then God exists. Love exists, therefore God exists.

Love ≡ God Love ∴ God

Is the form correct? It's been a long time since I have done logical proofs.

It's rather a statement describing the nature of God instead of a proof.

God is to be proved as how we prove history!

[Newme]

In subjectively interpreted terms like God and love - how do you “analyze your sense to make objective statements” without ignoring many others’ different interpretations?

Well you do not. No statements are objective unless they comply and agree with other people's viewpoints. The analysis of your sensations includes consultations with others critically

So, you base objectivity on group thought?

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. - Friedrich Nietzsche

[Sculptor1]

Well you do not. No statements are objective unless they comply and agree with other people's viewpoints. The analysis of your sensations includes consultations with others critically

So, you base objectivity on group thought?

Yes, by definition. Some people call it inter-subjectivity.

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. - Friedrich Nietzsche

Taking FN out of context is not helpful.
You can only establish an objective fact when you are in agreement with the criteria, such as the metric, of observation.

[Hereandnow]

Courage:
It's rather a statement describing the nature of God instead of a proof.

God is to be proved as how we prove history!

Not sure how we "prove" history; I suppose it means gathering evidence, constructing an argument and so forth. But an historical proof of God is the exact opposite of what is required in the issue, and it is this kind of thinking the reduces religion to empirically based narratives that both encourage naivete and absurd metaphysics as well as steer clear of what "God" is all about. It discourages genuine inquiry.

An historically verified Jesus shows nothing.

[Darshan]

Earthellism can prove God exists and has located God's position. Based on the great book "The Life and Death of Planet Earth" which answers all the questions not answered in all the scriptures it is now clear where our God is. Earth is travelling at nearly 1 million miles/hour as our solar system is rotating and travelling outwards. In a sense Earth is our liveable spaceship that is carrying all of us in this solar system. There is no life anywhere else in this solar system except on Earth. Our sun is the nuclear engine that drives our planet and provides the energy and heat that sustains our planet so we can all survive our celestial trip around the universe. In a sense our solar system is a gigantic space complex with our sun the engine of our spaceship complex and Earth the living quarters of all its souls and humans. The other planets are the front and back of our spaceship complex with the edges of solar system the outer boundaries. Our God is the sole pilot of our spaceship complex and is located near Earth. As astronauts flew to the moon, no one ever died and were lost to space, Both shuttle disasters led to all astronauts returning to Earth. Apollo 13 was a miracle as God carried the space capsule back to earth safely. As we try to travel to other planets in our solar system all we are doing is travelling to different parts of our giant spaceship complex. As we approach the end of our journey in 6 billion years our giant spaceship complex will vaporize the inner 3 planets to release our souls to our next journey and our next solar system. God is the sole pilot of our solar system keeping us safe here on Earth. The final proof of all of this is the asteroid that hit 66 million years ago. That asteroid was not that big and lead to human evolution. Many more asteroids that size should have hit earth over the last 60 million years which would have prevented our evolution. The fact that no other asteroid that was 5-10 miles wide hit us over the last 60 million is clearly due to divine intervention proving God exists and protects us from killer asteroids near Earth. God is near Earth protecting us from killer asteroids and keeping all of us on Earth either dead or alive. Heaven is above the surface of earth in the giant cockpit where God lives and welcomes us to see the path we are on. Hell is on the surface of earth where human devils torture and kill innocent human beings here on earthell but God protects Earth but cannot descend from the cockpit to earthell. God sends love to us and rewards innocent human beings with Heaven and keeps human devils on earthell to not experience Heaven and be vaporized at the end to the next solar system.

[Darshan]

Earthellism follows on the last post with more scientific and objective proof of God. The book "The Life and Death of Planet Earth" is based on the new science of astrobiology by 2 NASA scientists. The enduring question of life outside our solar system is an endless mystery but is now answered today.
There is likely life on many millions of planets in the universe but to develop advanced intelligent life like us is likely a one in a billion trillion event. The book is the foundation for the concept that Earth is not only a miracle planet but is really the perfect spaceship disguised as a planet! Earth is more like a complex spaceship than any other planet anywhere. Earth has all the features of a intricate spaceship with life-sustaining ingredients and the ability for prolonged life form hibernation for all life forms. In no way could such a spaceship be made by luck. Now we get to the real answers.
Earthellism proves there is a God who is singular in nature who created this spaceship disguised as a planet. There is no other spaceship like Earth in the Universe because there is only one God to create our spaceship here. Now as our spaceship travels at 1 million miles an hour it covers 1 light year in 600 years. This means in 10 billion years Earth will have traveled millions or close to a billion light years which is likely only 10-40% of the Universe as we know it. At the end of Earth's journey our spaceship will be vaporized and we will board another spaceship in another solar system to continue our never ending journey through this Universe with God as our sole pilot. Astrobiology supports this fully and now explains the Bible and all scriptures better.

[Belindi]

Darshan wrote:

God is near Earth protecting us from killer asteroids and keeping all of us on Earth either dead or alive. Heaven is above the surface of earth in the giant cockpit where God lives and welcomes us to see the path we are on. Hell is on the surface of earth where human devils torture and kill innocent human beings here on earthell but God protects Earth but cannot descend from the cockpit to earthell. God sends love to us and rewards innocent human beings with Heaven and keeps human devils on earthell to not experience Heaven and be vaporized at the end to the next solar system.

If God cannot descend to Earth to intervene in EarthHell then God is not all powerful.
If God the creator created EarthHell then God the creator is not entirely good."You know a good tree by its fruit".

[Darshan]

God only resides in Heaven.
God does not reside in Hell.
God cannot stop the evil here on earthell
but sends his love to comfort us.
God is omnibenevolent which is more needed than being omnipotent.
God is omnipotent only in Heaven not here.
He would have never let Jesus be tortured and murdered, his only son.

[Hereandnow]

It would be good if the attempts talk about God as if it were a human personality that "does" and "resides" and "creates" and so on. This is the worst kind of anthropomorphizing. At least recognize these to be metaphors, but then, metaphors have their original object about which the metaphor is supposed to apply. For God there is no original object (no identifiable agency that the metaphor "descends" is supposed to apply, e.g.) and the metaphors just hang out in thin air.

To get to a a meaningful concept of God, you have to start with the world, with what you observe in the world that gives rise to the idea of God in the first place. This would constitute a meaningful ground to thinking. Then, you can see how any metaphors can apply at all. Very few. But those that survive are very important:

God is, by my thinking, reified ethical goodness.

[Darshan]

God is the creator of all our souls.
God is the creator of Earth.
Earthellism tries to define God‘s location
and define who God is.
What was described in the last post is Karma.
Defining in God in human terms is best way for humans to start to learn God.
Clearly God is not human but God is our true Parent and we struggle to define God.

[Belindi]

Darshan wrote:

Clearly God is not human but God is our true Parent and we struggle to define God.

That very struggle to define God is , for all we can know, our only valid definition of God.