Religious mythology and dreams

Discuss philosophical questions regarding theism (and atheism), and discuss religion as it relates to philosophy. This includes any philosophical discussions that happen to be about god, gods, or a 'higher power' or the belief of them. This also generally includes philosophical topics about organized or ritualistic mysticism or about organized, common or ritualistic beliefs in the existence of supernatural phenomenon.
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Religious mythology and dreams

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This is not really a topic for discussion but a place to share dream experiences that relate to some form of mythology.

I am not concerned with your beliefs only the experience of the dream and what it meant to you.

As an example I had a dream with a mythical figure from a Thor movie. For me this character being present in my dreams represented something personal to me.

If you don't wish to share publicly your dream for whatever reason then please PM me because it would be useful to me.

As much detail as possible involving theme, weather, mythical characters, settings and symbols. If you prefer not to you need not explain your personal situation or take on the dream experience you've had.

I am a keen student of Jung and have found great use in his idea of archetypes. Input from members here would be of great use to me.

If this is not the correct place for this post delete it or move it. I understand.

Thank you.
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After Reading Homer's Iliad and Odyssey I had a vivid dream of a returning home. There I saw my love Helen of Troy with a somber look up on her face. I looked downward and I saw another pair of boots that weren't my own. I felt my heart it the floor and looked at her again. She looked distressed as I knew it was my time and I left.

Depth psychology is good stuff. What most deeply moves us? The Greek tragedians were excellent at that. Nietzsche is the first, modern depth psychologist. There is a book called Nietzsche's Depth Psychology which is excellent. I often wonder if our emotions or rationality is more intelligent. The two are so closely knit together I really do not know.
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I once had a dream that I was visiting my home and my wife Helen of Troy. Upon entering I saw boots near the door. She had a somber look upon her face. I could feel her heart sink, my own too. I soon fled off knowing what they meant. This was after reading the Iliad and the Odyssey.

The Greek tragedians were great at depth psychology and what most moves us. Nietzsche is the first great modern depth psychologist. There is a great book out called Nietzsche's Depth Psychology, which is a good read. You of course are familiar with Jung, so there is no need to tell you about him. This field is very interesting. Trying to dive into the subconscious is paradoxing isn't it? I feel the only way to do it is through art. Shakespeare was a master at this.
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As I have tried to express elsewhere art is essentially emotional expression. Too often people think of art as something beautiful rather than as something that simply stirs some emotion in us.

I find it very intriguing how our dreams can be interpreted. It does seem like Jung says that the unconscious speaks only through metaphor. The difficulty is not to over analysis.

In reference to the Thor movie, because of Jung I knew precisely what the character represented. It was Heimdall btw :) blantantly represented the delineation between my conscious and unconscious.

I have also come to realise that water represents my unconscious too. There are a few common themes I am still puzzled about ... guess with time they'll become clear to me if they have any worthwhile meaning.

If you've Lovecraft and approach his work with a Jungian mindset it is very interesting stuff.
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Stephen C Pedersen wrote:I once had a dream that I was visiting my home and my wife Helen of Troy. Upon entering I saw boots near the door. She had a somber look upon her face. I could feel her heart sink, my own too. I soon fled off knowing what they meant. This was after reading the Iliad and the Odyssey.

The Greek tragedians were great at depth psychology and what most moves us. Nietzsche is the first great modern depth psychologist. There is a great book out called Nietzsche's Depth Psychology, which is a good read. You of course are familiar with Jung, so there is no need to tell you about him. This field is very interesting. Trying to dive into the subconscious is paradoxing isn't it? I feel the only way to do it is through art. Shakespeare was a master at this.
Dreams comprise one of 3 things:

-- they are the human mind processing the recent days' events or the more distant past;

-- they are the human mind planning out the next day's events;

-- they are a medium for communications with the God(s).
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I had a drwam last night and during the dream I recalled an old dream. Never happened before. Was kind of strange.

Still hoping to hold lucid dream in the future. They always slip away.
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There are dreams which stand out in my memory, dreams as real as any waking state experience. One in particular stands out: I drowned and died in this dream. Everything about it was crystal clear: the sight and feel of the water, the sunlight filtering down through it's surface, gasping for breath and flailing around underwater, then a great expansive feeling of peace and light at the moment of death. I woke up feeling very happy.

Was it a dream? I have my doubts. As a young child, I had a phobia about large bodies of water - about swimming. I managed to overcome it but there was always some slight feeling of unease. There was absolutely no reason I should have such a fear, I'd had no bad or scary experiences with water. I've had precognitive dreams too.
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I died in a dream too. I was early teens but dreamed I was younger and playing outside at dusk when my mother called me in for dinner. I walked up the steps and a man hidden in the shadows near the front door suddenly appeared with a gun and shot me through the head at point blank range. I fell to the ground thinking that I must be dead and in disbelief that I was still thinking. Everything was vibrating fiercely and I awoke. Unlike Felix I did not wake up feeling good! It was very frightening.
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Stephen C Pedersen wrote:After Reading Homer's Iliad and Odyssey I had a vivid dream of a returning home. There I saw my love Helen of Troy with a somber look up on her face. I looked downward and I saw another pair of boots that weren't my own. I felt my heart it the floor and looked at her again. She looked distressed as I knew it was my time and I left.

Depth psychology is good stuff. What most deeply moves us? The Greek tragedians were excellent at that. Nietzsche is the first, modern depth psychologist. There is a book called Nietzsche's Depth Psychology which is excellent. I often wonder if our emotions or rationality is more intelligent. The two are so closely knit together I really do not know.
Myth is not what we most readily-most facilely, and typically abstractly-take it to be: "exotic stories" from cultures unlike ours. Myth is a mode of culture itself, which precipitated those stories and gave them their power and form over the mode of mentality or personality to which it is a historical-psychological correlate. Myth is a way of being, a mode or dimension of subjectivity, an organic system of concretely grasped value-principles concentrating the meaning of human life into a pre-philosophical metaphor, a nuclear parable or potent allegory: we recognize it in primitive or premodern peoples, we see it-briefly-in the sparkling imagination and spiritual life of children, before our distinctive modern culture crushes their morale and introduces them to the prison of compulsively literalizing ways of seeing things, the prevailing prosaic, banal, fact-ridden existence to which literalized and abstractivized mentalities can of course see no alternative. Moderns know myth, as they know anything, only as what they have dissected it into, what they have "scienced" or intellectualized.
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Greta, I felt happy when I woke up from my Grateful Dead dream because, as I said, it was as vivid as any waking state experience, my body died but my consciousness lived on - the dancing stopped but the music continued.

Your Ungrateful Dead dream (sans Jerry Garcia?), must have had some relevance to what was going on in your life at that time, yes?
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I have Jung in my personal library. I have spent the most time with Aion (The Beast). What is your favorite?
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The Beast wrote:I have Jung in my personal library.
I can't imagine what state he must be in by now.
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I can try. Go ahead grasshopper, tell me about your dream.
Alec Smart wrote:
The Beast wrote:I have Jung in my personal library.
I can't imagine what state he must be in by now.
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The Beast wrote: Go ahead grasshopper, tell me about your dream.
My dream is that, one day, all the peoples of the World will live together in peace and harmony. Other than that, I suppose a decent win on the lottery would be rather nice.
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Alec Smart wrote:
The Beast wrote: Go ahead grasshopper, tell me about your dream.
My dream is that, one day, all the peoples of the World will live together in peace and harmony. Other than that, I suppose a decent win on the lottery would be rather nice.
I have a tape of him (Jung) at the lake. He is smoking his pipe his legs crossed and his eyes lost in the horizon at the sunset. Maybe, he was just thinking half the same and wishing as well of more visions and dreams.
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