What has God actually done wrong ?

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Neil Wallace
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Re: What has God actually done wrong ?

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Whitedragon wrote: December 11th, 2016, 8:41 am So many debates gravitate around the degrading of the Lord. In our attempts to disprove him or discredit him, we find some satisfaction. These questions and accusations bring us to a new question, what has he actually done wrong?

When we look at an imperfect world and all the pain and sorrow that goes along with it; we often say then he cannot exist. Looking at the story of Adam and Eve, we find why our world is broken. If we go from that story, we find that things were perfect, but that we were not satisfied enough with it. Somehow, we managed to not only doom that perfection, but also put continuity in it. In a world that is doomed, should it not be strange when something goes right, rather when something goes wrong?

Mainly, the Bible tells us how to live our lives right. It is concerned with our safety and protection and seemingly, that is what the crux of the book is. Despite this good intention, (of a book that is looking out for us), we are so unsatisfied with the Lord and the book, that we find it necessary to degrade and attack both. Why do we reward good intentions with anger and disbelief?

Reading the Word correctly is what is important. History is not instruction, but rather like drama, which we can choose not to adopt in our lives; yet people see everything in it as instruction, rather than life lessons to learn. They take the worse things out of context, rather choosing to focus on the story and so losing the message.

So the question in this thread is, what has the Lord actually done wrong, since his main goal was always to keep us safe. He is practical in all things, there does not seem to be anything abstract when it comes to sin, but we can always rather find some logical explanation why any sin is “wrong.” “Sin” and “wrong,” seem to be outdated words, which need reforming in order to demonstrate its practical value. So again, what has the Lord actually done wrong?
Assuming the Christian God's existence, then the issue comes down to responsibility for Evil in the world and the Christian Free will argument.
According to Christianity the reason for the evil of the world is due to failure of human's to obey God''s will. While God created all, it would be assumed that he could prevent Evil, and to not do so would be an evil act.
Christian reasoning is that the Evil of the world is allowed to give human beings free will to chose.
There are those who reject this notion, and claim that free will does not justify the incalculable suffering of life on Earth and that it would be better had God not devised this curious science experiment.
There are probably few who directly say this as they will tend rather to the Stendhal position:
God's only excuse is that he does not exist.

According to Christianity the suffering of the world caused by humanities sin will pay off in the end with the Second Coming of Jesus to Earth.

I personally am minded to the view that the Christian God does not exist and hence is not responsible for any Evil in the world due to his non existence.
I use the male "his" due to accepted cultural definitions.
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Re: What has God actually done wrong ?

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. Being perfect ... Why is it so ... ? That's a fault of God ...

. Because with perfection, nothing can evolve anymore ... at least theoretically ...

. And you can see the whole existence evolving as a continuum ... as an oceanic flux ...

. Hence God does not exist ...

. Existence is self sufficient ...

. If God is self sufficient ... Why not existence itself ... ?

. And science explains it perfectly ...
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Whitedragon wrote: December 11th, 2016, 8:41 am So many debates gravitate around the degrading of the Lord. In our attempts to disprove him or discredit him, we find some satisfaction. These questions and accusations bring us to a new question, what has he actually done wrong?
There are so many instances. Where would you like to start? Genesis?

The first goof I see is Yahweh creating Adam and forgetting that to reproduce he needed a wife. That is where the rib woman notion was invented.

That is me ignoring the other creation of A & E doublet.

The second error is Yahweh trying to deny A & E all knowledge of everything.

Everything is subject to good and evil and that knowledge was in the tree that Yahweh tried and failed to have A & E ignore.

What is your view of the story of Eden?

To the Jews who wrote it, it is seen as Original Virtue where man showed his intelligence and virtue.

To Christians who basically stole the myth, it is seen as our Original Sin, even as Christians sing the opposite. That Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

Which version do you see as more accurate?

Do you see the value in sin?

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Dclements wrote: January 6th, 2017, 7:32 pm
Your argument is a non sequitur fallacy since there is nothing to support your claim that 'God' is trying to strength us by forcing us to have to deal with 'evil'. Our ability to deal with nature evil (and the evil we produce ourselves) comes from our natural ability to survive; if we DIDN'T have this ability we won't even be alive. I'm imagine if we ever encountered a problem that was bigger than we could handle (like an asteroid about to destroy the earth), theist could claim that it too was part of his plan even if it contradicts this belief that 'God' strengthening in order to deal with evil.

In a nutshell, your argument is just another example of someone trying to claim that 'God did it' and/or 'it is part of his will' when we don't know (or we don't like the answer) to how something works in the world around us.
Think of the dualism of both god and evolution.

Can I have you look at evolution and think of cooperation as good and competition as evil because it creates a loser who will think evil has befallen him or her?

If you can and, then you might see what our friend means by the evil parts of life, where we lose at a competition/evil/Satan, and understanding it for what it is, will indeed strengthen the loser, or let him know he is competing in the wrong field or area.

As you might see, I have no problem of evil when I wear my naturalist hat.

Nature explains all human to human evil quite easilly.

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