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Philosophy of Alien: Covenant (Aquinas, Cosmological Arguments)

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Philosophy of Alien: Covenant (Aquinas, Cosmological Arguments)

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Re: Philosophy of Alien: Covenant (Aquinas, Cosmological Arguments)

Post by Greta » December 8th, 2017, 4:55 am

What if the first action was simply a fluctuation? While initial states are most significant in shaping what comes afterwards, they are not necessarily sentient, but will represent a pattern (and consciousness, along with a number of other processes such as digestion, is ultimately a kind of dynamic patterning in the fabric of reality).

Current knowledge suggests that before the big bang was simply quantum space, with endless virtual particles popping in and out of existence. Maybe reality always is and always will be, with this eternal background relative nothingness occasionally spawning universes, either serially or in parallel?

Ultimately we are all just guessing, of course.

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Re: Philosophy of Alien: Covenant (Aquinas, Cosmological Arguments)

Post by SimpleGuy » December 8th, 2017, 5:14 am

In fact after quantum mechanics, yes but after that theory the whole evolution of the quantum state of this world was already contained in it. Notice there is no projection for the quantum wave function of the whole world , because there exist no outer matter to measure this world. The projection postulate is something for a measurer outside of this system. Once the world is described via a high fermion , boson product tensor probability function, it evolves after the Schrödinger-picture and with it after the exponential of the Hamiltonian. But for the whole universe there is no one ouside to measure it. Thus all evolution was then deterministic, probability comes into play with projection of the measurement from outside. But outside does not exist.

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Re: Philosophy of Alien: Covenant (Aquinas, Cosmological Arguments)

Post by SimpleGuy » December 8th, 2017, 5:15 am

:D In fact after quantum mechanics, yes but after that theory the whole evolution of the quantum state of this world was already contained in it. Notice there is no projection for the quantum wave function of the whole world , because there exist no outer matter to measure this world. The projection postulate is something for a measurer outside of this system. Once the world is described via a high fermion , boson product tensor probability function, it evolves after the Schrödinger-picture and with it after the exponential of the Hamiltonian. But for the whole universe there is no one ouside to measure it. Thus all evolution was then deterministic, probability comes into play with projection of the measurement from outside. But outside does not exist. :D

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Re: Philosophy of Alien: Covenant (Aquinas, Cosmological Arguments)

Post by SimpleGuy » December 8th, 2017, 5:33 am

Once measurement would come into play one has to divide , the probability that comes from pure quantum mechanics of measurement , through the projection mechanism and the statistical operators to describe the initial impossiblity to measure all atoms or molecules in this system. But that is if the universe would have been described by one high-dimensional state unimportant, we as humans couldn't measure this state and there is no decoupled measurer to apply the projection formalism of quantum-mechanics.

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Post by Greta » December 8th, 2017, 5:54 am

By the way, I enjoyed the link - thank you.

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