The Physical Presence of the God is the Earth

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kk23wong wrote: January 22nd, 2018, 6:55 am Is it possible that the physical presence of the God is the Earth?

By applying microbiology onto the structure of the Earth, similarities of the lives can be spotted easily. Lives are lives in different levels. The hierarchies of lives decided our presence. Everyone was born to be. Biosphere is the life cycles of the Earth. We are only living organism of higher intelligence only. The actual presence of the God is the physical Earth. "You are in me. I am you and you are me." Buddhism is a mental statue created by the physical differences.

Do you believe it? I am humble and invite all of you to join the debates on that. I have been appeared in this forum several years ago and I returned for a better world. Please feel free to comment. Our world is too small for divide and rule.

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Why stop at Planet Earth? I claim that nature is God, plus all that exists naturally exists.
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Sculptor1 wrote: December 7th, 2020, 5:46 am
kk23wong wrote: January 22nd, 2018, 6:55 am Is it possible that the physical presence of the God is the Earth?


Teru Wong
Why call it god when we have a perfectly good word for it: earth!
Most people would infer that calling something " God " is like the something is the creator and maintainer of all that is, was, and shall be.
Thus, when I say "God is Nature and Nature is God" I imply Nature is creator and maintainer of all. This is pantheism.

Pantheism differs from theism in that pantheism owns no supernatural order of being, whereas theism and polytheism do own supernatural being or beings.
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Belindi wrote: December 7th, 2020, 7:53 am
Sculptor1 wrote: December 7th, 2020, 5:46 am

Why call it god when we have a perfectly good word for it: earth!
Most people would infer that calling something " God " is like the something is the creator and maintainer of all that is, was, and shall be.
A set of all things cannot be in a set of itself. Your idea is incoherent.
God cannot be the creator of all things, since he is a thing.
Thus, when I say "God is Nature and Nature is God" I imply Nature is creator and maintainer of all. This is pantheism.
Once again there is a perfectly good world for nature: Nature. Why add to your own confusion by substituting another word in place of nature, and vice versa?

Pantheism differs from theism in that pantheism owns no supernatural order of being, whereas theism and polytheism do own supernatural being or beings.
"Pantheism" is not an explanation.
Literally
It's just another confused term. God is everything: everything is god
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Sculptor1 wrote: December 7th, 2020, 9:17 amOnce again there is a perfectly good world for nature: Nature. Why [...] substitut[e] another word in place of nature, and vice versa?
To distinguish oneself from the atheists.
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baker wrote: December 7th, 2020, 9:36 am
Sculptor1 wrote: December 7th, 2020, 9:17 amOnce again there is a perfectly good world for nature: Nature. Why [...] substitut[e] another word in place of nature, and vice versa?
To distinguish oneself from the atheists.
Then you would agree Spinosa was God-obsessed?
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baker wrote: December 7th, 2020, 9:36 am
Sculptor1 wrote: December 7th, 2020, 9:17 amOnce again there is a perfectly good world for nature: Nature. Why [...] substitut[e] another word in place of nature, and vice versa?
To distinguish oneself from the atheists.
You mean to align yourself with ignorance and delusion to distinguish yourself as a person not fully rational.
To introduce self inflicted confusion.
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Sculptor1 wrote: December 7th, 2020, 11:14 amYou mean to align yourself with ignorance and delusion to distinguish yourself as a person not fully rational.
To introduce self inflicted confusion.
No. To align yourself with power.

I think that most people who profess to believe in God don't actually care a straw about God, but they see and understand the social power that is harnessed by the concept of God: God, the ultimate bogeyman. Monotheistic doctrines developed in order to attack and exploit people's weakest points, their most severe insecurities. This is where the God concept draws its power from. When you can make someone lose sleep over something you said, you've got power over them.


Of course, there are also monotheists who aren't like that; people who are happy to be alive and who see God as a benevolent figure. But those are in the minority.
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Belindi wrote: December 7th, 2020, 10:59 amThen you would agree Spinosa was God-obsessed?
Obsessed?
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baker wrote: December 7th, 2020, 11:43 am
Sculptor1 wrote: December 7th, 2020, 11:14 amYou mean to align yourself with ignorance and delusion to distinguish yourself as a person not fully rational.
To introduce self inflicted confusion.
No. To align yourself with power.
Yes, you are definietly deluded.


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Sculptor1 wrote: December 7th, 2020, 12:19 pmYes, you are definietly deluded.
*sigh*
Did you read the rest of my post you're quoting?
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baker wrote: December 7th, 2020, 12:30 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: December 7th, 2020, 12:19 pmYes, you are definietly deluded.
*sigh*
Did you read the rest of my post you're quoting?
Okay so I have now. I have so little time to waste on theists, so tend to cut to the chase.
I imagine "To distinguish oneself from the atheists" was flippant?

As for the "concept" of god being powerful - I think not, at least not in the context we are currently talking about (another reason I missed the "distinguish" bit), since the pantheic assertion is a powerless attempt to preserve a concept of god which is long demonstrated as absurd.
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SimonP wrote: December 7th, 2020, 5:37 am
Greta wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 2:15 am
Not a species as such, just about everything keeps happening without agency, as per my list. How much agency microbes, plants and other brainless organisms enjoy is up for debate. At this stage the orthodoxy says they lack agency altogether. Still, it's eye opening how much more intelligence is being found in even fairly simple organisms.

Also, agency varies, depending on the circumstance. For instance, fight or flight manifests in familiar ways in most creatures. It's when animals (including humans) are relaxed that their individuality becomes most apparent.
Except that's what you claimed:
Greta wrote: April 17th, 2020, 11:31 pm Other species have fulfilled that role in the past.
No problem there. Trilobites and cyanobacteria have also acted as agents of destruction (and subsequent renewal). They didn't need agency either.
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baker wrote: December 7th, 2020, 12:03 pm
Belindi wrote: December 7th, 2020, 10:59 amThen you would agree Spinosa was God-obsessed?
Obsessed?
Obsessed as having complete faith that there be ontic order. Ontic order is order that persists after there is no consciousness to perceive it or conceive of it.

Ontic order is the basic fact about God. That God is a Person Who has feelings, makes choices and so forth, is a hangover from long ago when gods were all high and mighty persons.
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Sculptor1 wrote: December 7th, 2020, 12:52 pmI imagine "To distinguish oneself from the atheists" was flippant?
Not at all.
The theist has at his disposal a concept that the atheist does not. It's a concept with many functions, from those that help one feel good about life, to those that justify going to war, and so on.
As for the "concept" of god being powerful - I think not, at least not in the context we are currently talking about (another reason I missed the "distinguish" bit), since the pantheic assertion is a powerless attempt to preserve a concept of god which is long demonstrated as absurd.
Of course the concept of "God" can be powerful, and it often is. If people have sleepless nights over it (and they do), if they go to wars over it (and they do), if they can hold eachother in check with the help of it (and they do), then it's powerful.
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Belindi wrote: December 8th, 2020, 5:42 am Obsessed as having complete faith that there be ontic order. Ontic order is order that persists after there is no consciousness to perceive it or conceive of it.

Ontic order is the basic fact about God.
What use is it to conceive of God that way?
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