I seems to me that you're somewhat put off by the concept of Satan and am wondering what your thoughts are on this?
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I seems to me that you're somewhat put off by the concept of Satan and am wondering what your thoughts are on this?
Metaphorically, the only 'devil'/Satan that I have found, is the one sitting on (y)our own shoulder, whispering sweet nothings into (y)our eagerly straining ears; Our own thoughts/ego.
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Of course the sentence, itself, is a coherent logical structure of words.The "Nicene Creed" I believe in one "God" the father almighty creator of heaven and earth... Does that sentence contain only belief or does it also contain some logical structure?
I understand the concept of "All God" and I also understand "God" is something possibly incomprehensible so to start declaring what "God" is might be a bit presumptuous?
Experience = Knowledge.How do we know everything is "God?" How do you explain acts like murder? Is murder something "God" brought into the world?
I guess then Jesus overturning the tables of the money changers and angrily accusing them of turning his house into a den of thieves was what?Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 1:31 am I'm hearing an awful lot of judgment in here, a lot of munching on the Forbidden Fruit (tm).
I don't know what religion you are, but those of the bible are warned against such judgments, no?
There can be no 'judgment' in Love (Jesus' only requirement of a follower).
In unconditional Love, one cannot see 'evil/bad/good...', one sees the Beloved!
Then you are missing, in that self-righteous judgmental egoic opium of the superiority of judgment of others, Jesus' true message.This act recognizes wrong, it recognizes error and there are numerous examples in the New Testament of Jesus admonishing wrong i.e., judgement.
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Here's one Kabbalistic view of creation through the process of Tzimtzum (note the dualistic term.)Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 7:56 amMetaphorically, the only 'devil'/Satan that I have found, is the one sitting on (y)our own shoulder, whispering sweet nothings into (y)our eagerly straining ears; Our own thoughts/ego.
It was thought/ego, Knowledge, from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, that we willingly plucked.
Ever since, that thought/knowledge has been whispering into our eager ears.
As far as a literal autonomous creature, distinct from God, thwarting 'God's Plan' (tm), other than as metaphor, is impossible. If one accepts 'God' as 'Omni-', One!, there can be no 'other'.
Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 8:48 am The trouble begins with the schizophrenia of separation, the perceived duality and 'believing' it!
Who predates on Self?
Who cheats and robs and is violent to Self?
No one ever deliberately harms another who does not host some belief or other!
Even logic supports the Omni- vision.
All inclusive is unconditional Love, Heaven.
Anything else is Hell.Schizophrenia, the schism of the mind, is a separation from reality. It is the state the world is presently in and this is known because the true presence of "God" isn't seen. You might pretend to have great insight and possibly do but we are not individuals but in reality merely part of a whole that we cannot escape because of what we are. The whole needs to unite in truth for the presence of "God" to be known. That thought can be conceived as a puzzle piece where each has its place and why the loss of a soul is such a tragic event.
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I hope you can sort through that last post. I was distracted and hit submit before preview and as you point out.. no edit function.
Schizophrenia, the schism of the mind, is a separation from reality. It is the state the world is presently in and this is known because the true presence of "God" isn't seen. You might pretend to have great insight and possibly do but we are not individuals but in reality merely part of a whole that we cannot escape because of what we are. The whole needs to unite in truth for the presence of "God" to be known. That thought can be conceived as a puzzle piece where each has its place and why the loss of a soul is such a tragic event.Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 8:48 am The trouble begins with the schizophrenia of separation, the perceived duality and 'believing' it!
Who predates on Self?
Who cheats and robs and is violent to Self?
No one ever deliberately harms another who does not host some belief or other!
Even logic supports the Omni- vision.
All inclusive is unconditional Love, Heaven.
Anything else is Hell.
Following is the necessity of the 'dualist/ego/thought' that anything may be perceived. A contextless, completely transcendent, unconditional Omni- One cannot be Known by Consciousness. Thus is the momentary (timeless) fragmentation grenade of thought/ego/duality. Like shattering a transparent piece of glass so that it can finally be perceived.jerlands wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 4:38 pmHere's one Kabbalistic view of creation through the process of Tzimtzum (note the dualistic term.)Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 7:56 am
Metaphorically, the only 'devil'/Satan that I have found, is the one sitting on (y)our own shoulder, whispering sweet nothings into (y)our eagerly straining ears; Our own thoughts/ego.
It was thought/ego, Knowledge, from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, that we willingly plucked.
Ever since, that thought/knowledge has been whispering into our eager ears.
As far as a literal autonomous creature, distinct from God, thwarting 'God's Plan' (tm), other than as metaphor, is impossible. If one accepts 'God' as 'Omni-', One!, there can be no 'other'.
The whole thing violates Occam's Razor.Creating Space
In the creation myth of ancient Judaic mysticism, God creates the universe by a process dubbed tzimtzum, which in Hebrew means a sort of stepping back to allow for there to be an Other, an Else, as in something or someone else.
The process of Tzimtzum is however something that has been reasoned (logic) and what filled that space is, I believe, very controversial.
It is the state the world is presently in and this is known because the true presence of "God" isn't seen.
You might pretend to have great insight and possibly do but we are not individuals but in reality merely part of a whole that we cannot escape because of what we are. The whole needs to unite in truth for the presence of "God" to be known. That thought can be conceived as a puzzle piece where each has its place and why
Souls can't be lost as Souls cannot be owned as Souls do not exist for more than a single moment..the loss of a soul is such a tragic event.
You claim the omni-one cannot be know by consciousness so how is the omni-one know or is this possible?Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 9:36 pmFollowing is the necessity of the 'dualist/ego/thought' that anything may be perceived. A contextless, completely transcendent, unconditional Omni- One cannot be Known by Consciousness. Thus is the momentary (timeless) fragmentation grenade of thought/ego/duality. Like shattering a transparent piece of glass so that it can finally be perceived.
Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 9:36 pmThe whole thing violates Occam's Razor.Creating Space
In the creation myth of ancient Judaic mysticism, God creates the universe by a process dubbed tzimtzum, which in Hebrew means a sort of stepping back to allow for there to be an Other, an Else, as in something or someone else.
In order to 'make it work', we have to keep adding complexity on complexity, spiraling out of rationality and logic into a form of 'emotional logic' in support of an already established bias.
I say, on the other hand, that all paths, no matter how measured or distant, sincerely and mindfully followed, all lead into the mystical One! Self!
There is no One 'else'. *__-
The only way for me to communicate with you is through logic, reasoning (word) that is common to both. An elemental form of logic is number which is fundamentally tied to form. 0,1,2,3 etc., are all notions of a concept and that concept is expressed in both symbol and myth.Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 9:36 pmThe process of Tzimtzum is however something that has been reasoned (logic) and what filled that space is, I believe, very controversial.
See how one must bend over backwards to justify a belief, or an unexamined assumption?
In order for there to be 'creation', the One and Only must schizophrenically fragment himself into individual autonomous bits and pieces and blah,
It seems to me you want to dismiss Biblical teachings in this discussion but this is what the discussion is about. The purpose of the Bible.Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 9:36 pm and blah and blah... and on until one's belief/assumption is justified. It goes around in spirals getting ever immersed in the ego/duality illusion, eyes ever more tightly closed. Such 'reasoning' (emotional, rather than intellectual) never 'resolves' itself.
All things 'resolve' in 'One Omni- unchanging, all inclusive Reality/God/Self!
There can be no 'other', really, other than in tales, mythos, etc...
Perhaps if you imagined the 'Big Bang' (as commonly imagined) as, rather than any sort of beginning of a material/physical Universe, like the cartoon light-bulb that goes on over the head of someone who just gets a good idea, the entirety of existence, the Complete Omni- Divine Self! is suddenly Self Aware, absolutely, completely!!
All in a single timeless moment of epiphany!
Talk about a metaphoric 'Big Bang', and then, well, no 'then... never was.
Timeless epiphany, 'this duality' is how we can perceive Us.
"God cannot know himself without me." - Meister Eckhart
"The eye by which I see God is the same as the eye by which God sees me. My eye and God's eye are one and the same." - Meister Eckhart
You're claiming there isn't injustice? Was there not injustice in the holocaust?Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 9:51 pmSouls can't be lost as Souls cannot be owned as Souls do not exist for more than a single moment..the loss of a soul is such a tragic event.
"The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy. What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly." --Richard Bach
The only way that We can be Known (to the One Universal Consciousness/Self!) is by the 'diffraction' presented by the duality of the ego, each individual unique Perspective, us.jerlands wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 10:26 pmYou claim the omni-one cannot be know by consciousness so how is the omni-one know or is this possible?Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 9:36 pm
Following is the necessity of the 'dualist/ego/thought' that anything may be perceived. A contextless, completely transcendent, unconditional Omni- One cannot be Known by Consciousness. Thus is the momentary (timeless) fragmentation grenade of thought/ego/duality. Like shattering a transparent piece of glass so that it can finally be perceived.
If the point is the function, then, yes, it is Self! Knowledge!
Denied duality? We ARE God's ego, all we can perceive is by 'duality'.Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 9:36 pm
The whole thing violates Occam's Razor.
In order to 'make it work', we have to keep adding complexity on complexity, spiraling out of rationality and logic into a form of 'emotional logic' in support of an already established bias.
I say, on the other hand, that all paths, no matter how measured or distant, sincerely and mindfully followed, all lead into the mystical One! Self!
There is no One 'else'. *__-
I believe you denied duality? Why is the left a mirror of the right?
The only way for me to communicate with you is through logic, reasoning (word) that is common to both.
I have used biblical quotes, when they are Enlightened.It seems to me you want to dismiss Biblical teachings in this discussion but this is what the discussion is about. The purpose of the Bible.
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As I said, it is a matter of Perspective.jerlands wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 10:41 pmYou're claiming there isn't injustice? Was there not injustice in the holocaust?Namelesss wrote: ↑February 11th, 2018, 9:51 pm
Souls can't be lost as Souls cannot be owned as Souls do not exist for more than a single moment..
"The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy. What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly." --Richard Bach
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Think of justice when your belongings are taken away, your wife raped and your children murdered. That's the way it's supposed to be 'eh and karma will do the rest? But that will never happen to you right? We're taught the concept of justice at a very early age as "do unto others."
You're implying civilization is unfounded. Not needed and unnecessary. Justice is the basis for order and without order you'd simply have chaos. We're given a concept of justice at a very early age as "do unto others."
Rise and fall it doesn't matter as everything is already "God" so what's the fuss? Is that correct?
The problem I see in this philosophy is nothing matters. Strike another and so what? Or am I not getting the picture?Namelesss wrote: ↑February 12th, 2018, 1:53 am No, the Holocaust, from here, is neither a justice nor an injustice.
We all have our time ti die, and it is always just perfectly at the right time and place and manner that we need!
All is Perfection, already, when all is God.
All Love is Self! Love!
All judgment is Self! judgment!
All hate is Self! hate!
All Compassion...
Let me help you out with the correct translation of that quote;We're taught the concept of justice at a very early age as "do unto others."
I am attempting to point out how aside from sin, judgment is insanity and ignorant.
Your 'order' and 'chaos' are simply two Perspectives of One and the Same Thing!Justice is the basis for order and without order you'd simply have chaos.
There is no free-will/choice, who and what we are at the moment will manifest.Rise and fall it doesn't matter as everything is already "God" so what's the fuss? Is that correct?
Living in a society with others, there must be responsibility for our actions.The problem I see in this philosophy is nothing matters. Strike another and so what? Or am I not getting the picture?Namelesss wrote: ↑February 12th, 2018, 1:53 am No, the Holocaust, from here, is neither a justice nor an injustice.
We all have our time ti die, and it is always just perfectly at the right time and place and manner that we need!
All is Perfection, already, when all is God.
All Love is Self! Love!
All judgment is Self! judgment!
All hate is Self! hate!
All Compassion...
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