Fanman wrote: ↑
February 25th, 2018, 2:21 am
The general rule of problem solving is to focus on the root causes rather than the symptoms.
We have identified the evil elements are as part and parcel of the immutable religion thus cannot be changed.
We've established that, but because the Koran cannot be altered, we're unable to address one of the main causes of the problem.
Now at least we have identified the proximate root cause of the problem.
A major problem at present is the majority have not understood and accept the immutable Quran is the proximate root cause of the problem of Islamic-related evils.
Thus our main task is to communicate this fact
to the masses.
In addition, I have proposed many other strategies to counter the leverage of religions.
Note my OP, God is an Impossibility, The Idea of God is Psychological, etc.
Once this fact is accepted by the masses, the religion of Islam will be slowly defanged and many Muslims will leave the religion or convert to alternative religion.
I believe if we strive hard, we will be able to defang Islam progressively.
How come you have not considered the getting rid of the religion altogether in progressive stages?
This is obviously a very complex and difficult task.
But it is not an impossible task to gradually wean off the religion and replaced with fool proof self development programs in the future - given the current trend of an exponential expansion of knowledge and technology.
Getting rid of religion doesn't seem like a viable solution to me, so I'm not inclined to speculate about such a possibility.
Note the strategies I proposed above.
Once we have convinced a critical mass, the grip by the religion will loosen up.
As I had mentioned often, 200 years ago, no one could have predicted the end of "chattel slavery" by legal laws in all Nations in the world. But it happened.
I have explained in details [tedious] elsewhere in this forum.
Generally the evil tendency in human is within a continuum from high [e.g genocides] to low [petty evil act, lying, stealing, corruption, fighting].
I predict 80% of people will commit the low evil act of lying of some kind or the other. Therefore to predict 20% will commit a more serious evil acts [kill, violence, rapes, oppress, bully and the likes] is very conservative.
Without being substantively supported, how can you expect me to take this seriously? You might as well be arguing that there's an even number of stars in the universe.
I have presented and argued my case in detail in some earlier post. I believed you would have read it. I am confident of where I stand.
Since I am lazy to search and represent my case, I don't expect you to take what I said here seriously. (I'll try to search for the posts).
As I had stated, in this PARTICULAR and special case involving Islam, it would be more optimal to avoid bashing the culprits/perpetrators.
What do you mean “optimal”? I can bash if there are sufficient grounds to.
It is a fact the bashing of the culprits/perpetrators had diverted and deflected the majority in seeing the root causes [Islam as a whole] of the Islamic-based evils.
Which is supported by?
It is so common, the authorities are always proclaiming to the World, "Islam is a Religion of Peace" whenever there is a terrorist attack.
At other times the authorities are not giving attention find out the real root cause, i.e. the evil elements in the Quran.
You can bash the perpetrators to vent your anger or frustrations but as you had understood such bashing will have no effect to such statistics of Islamic-related evil acts like this;
I bet the above numbers will keep increasing in the future regardless of how much you bash the perpetrators.
I understand the reasons why the authorities do not want to focus on the Quran and the ideology of Islam. It is because of ignorance, being cowed and threatened by terror, to avoid attacks on innocent Muslims due to hasty generalizations.
… Yet, after eschewing bashing, you are bashing? So you arbitrarily decide for us who should and should not be bashed? Also, those are not the reasons I see for why the authorities aren't focusing on Islamic ideology. IMV, it is because the authorities know it is an area that they cannot affect any change in.
I have already stated we need to take the right action [bashing] depending on the condition and contexts.
I noted the authorities has treated the symptoms, e.g. getting rid of I-S-I-S in Iraq and Syria but because they are not addressing the root causes, it is regrouping and emerging all over other places to kill non-believers.
What is critical is the authorities must direct their attention to the root causes.
Religious evils is a very special case. Note Steven Weinberg's
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Do I have to agree with his maxim? I find it bias.
This is a fact.
There has been so many shocks within families and friends who suddenly read of their goody-two-shoes child or friend appearing in the TV or News as a terrorist. Many of the jihadists are typically nice people without criminal records.
We don't empathize with them as terrorists [the terrorist act is to be condemned] but as a moral obligation to respect their basic human dignity.
Note we are only exercising a moral duty but we are not fighting to absolve them from legal accountability and to face the relevant charges.
Moral duty? Why should I respect the dignity of those who would kill me simply because I think differently? It seems you think that bashing is disrespectful of basic human dignity?
Yes, it is a moral obligation of ALL humans to respect the basic human dignity of another human being. There is a logical moral argument for it, as otherwise if you don't you are kicking your own ass. This is argued within the Philosophy of Morality. I won't do it here.
If you take into account 'optimality' in the present circumstances and consequences, it is optimal not to bash the Muslims but rather to focus attention of the root cause, i.e. the ideology of Islam.
I don't understand your application of the term “optimally”? I don't have a need to focus on anything regarding Islam, but I will engage in bashing when claimed Islamists commit acts of terror.
As I had stated, bashing is like crying over spilt milk. The most is for you to vent your anger, frustrations and achieving nothing for humanity.
You have a choice of two actions, i.e. to bash or to focus on the root causes. Since humans has limited resources, effort and time, it would be more productive [optimal] on prevention to a problem rather than making noises about it.
It would be wiser to redirect your effort to focus in preventive measures.
At present your view is merely that of an empty vessel rather than contributing something positive.
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.