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Questions to an agnostic

Discuss philosophical questions regarding theism (and atheism), and discuss religion as it relates to philosophy. This includes any philosophical discussions that happen to be about god, gods, or a 'higher power' or the belief of them. This also generally includes philosophical topics about organized or ritualistic mysticism or about organized, common or ritualistic beliefs in the existence of supernatural phenomenon.
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Karpel Tunnel
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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by Karpel Tunnel » August 27th, 2018, 4:16 am

ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 26th, 2018, 7:14 am
Karpel Tunnel wrote:
August 25th, 2018, 11:17 pm

I have that with Western science and technology, since it's driving all species towards extinction.
And providing us with the knowledge that we are doing it, and in part offering us the knowledge of how to avoid it.
The real trouble is not the science but the way people are choosing to use it..
Precisely my point.
On the Chinese issue. It is simply moronic to expect Rhinos to become extinct because some soft-pricked dick-wad thinks the Rhino horn will give him the horn. Western science has provided VIAGRA.
Expecially since Ashwaganda and Saw Palmetto will give you better erections with non of the side effects for you of viagra nor the side effects for Rhinos of using rhino horns.

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 27th, 2018, 6:42 am

Greta wrote:
August 26th, 2018, 6:19 pm
ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 26th, 2018, 6:01 am

You health seems in as bad a state as mine. Without being rude would it be indelicate of me to enquire after your age in years, madam?

Aside from my gout (not goat), I have chronic neck pain from radiation that I had now 10 years ago, flat feet, a generous belly, and more aches and pains that I deserve for my tender 58 years.

I use to have goat. In fact I had a small flock of them many years ago. Gregarious and inquisitive creatures, and too tasty for their own good.
Their meat, if cooked well rivals any venison or lamb.
I am just a little bit older than you, young fella :)

Looking at each of our ailments, they appear to be mechanical more than chemical, less about "health" as such as musculo-skeletal stability.
Part of the way to understand ailments is to know that this distinction is a false dichotomy.
Muscles and bones are made of chemicals, and it is a change in their structure, such as a decline in collagen and increase in calcification.
And it's no co-incidence that pain killers and anti-inflamatory medicine can "chemically" alleviate such symptoms as pain and stiffness.
How about sleep apnea? I keep waking up in the middle of the night with a very fast heart rate. This is pretty scary. I put this down to a loss of suppleness on my palette due to radiation.

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by Greta » August 27th, 2018, 5:55 pm

ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 27th, 2018, 6:42 am
Greta wrote:
August 26th, 2018, 6:19 pm

I am just a little bit older than you, young fella :)

Looking at each of our ailments, they appear to be mechanical more than chemical, less about "health" as such as musculo-skeletal stability.
Part of the way to understand ailments is to know that this distinction is a false dichotomy.
Muscles and bones are made of chemicals, and it is a change in their structure, such as a decline in collagen and increase in calcification.
And it's no co-incidence that pain killers and anti-inflamatory medicine can "chemically" alleviate such symptoms as pain and stiffness.
How about sleep apnea? I keep waking up in the middle of the night with a very fast heart rate. This is pretty scary. I put this down to a loss of suppleness on my palette due to radiation.
While the structural parts of our bodies are chemical, like everything else, there are lower priority parts of the body from the middle mesoderm layer of the gastrula, with the critical organs being on the inner layers (vital organs) and outer layers (brain, nervous system) being priorised by the body for oxygen and nutrients.

You can think of the brain as the multinational companies that run and control global public policy. The digestive, respiratory and digestive system are their workers and machines, and the limbs are the people - the first to be denied resources when digestive solids hit the air ventilator.

The apnoea does sound frightening. I find it annoying enough waking a few times each night to deal with said digestive solids. That's terrible about losing suppleness of palate - are there such a thing as palate exercises besides eating and talking? Maybe take up singing to strengthen everything up in there?

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 27th, 2018, 6:39 pm

Greta wrote:
August 27th, 2018, 5:55 pm
The apnoea does sound frightening. I find it annoying enough waking a few times each night to deal with said digestive solids. That's terrible about losing suppleness of palate - are there such a thing as palate exercises besides eating and talking? Maybe take up singing to strengthen everything up in there?
It's about ageing. My oncologist told me to expect my irradiated parts to be around 20 years older than the rest of me.
My 58 year old lungs are trying to collect air via an upper oesophagus that is 78 years old.

I've been watching some Billy Connolly on Youtube, since this week Parkinson said he'd gone to dinner with the Big Yin and was asked "Have I known you a long time." Obviously Parky was very upset that his name-sake disease had robbed Billy of the memory of their long friendship.
About 20 years ago, on Parkinson Billy told Parkie that he'd been suffering from sleep apnoea.

They think it is more prevalent, and silently damaging that people realise. Let's hope its not linked to Parkinson's. Alzheimers and so on.

BC's solution was to wear a pocketed T-shirt backwards and put a tennis ball in the pocket on his back; then he want for the whole back-pack with a football in it. - supposed to keep you on your side unmoving.

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by Greta » August 27th, 2018, 6:57 pm

ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 27th, 2018, 6:39 pm
Greta wrote:
August 27th, 2018, 5:55 pm
The apnoea does sound frightening. I find it annoying enough waking a few times each night to deal with said digestive solids. That's terrible about losing suppleness of palate - are there such a thing as palate exercises besides eating and talking? Maybe take up singing to strengthen everything up in there?
It's about ageing. My oncologist told me to expect my irradiated parts to be around 20 years older than the rest of me.
My 58 year old lungs are trying to collect air via an upper oesophagus that is 78 years old.

I've been watching some Billy Connolly on Youtube, since this week Parkinson said he'd gone to dinner with the Big Yin and was asked "Have I known you a long time." Obviously Parky was very upset that his name-sake disease had robbed Billy of the memory of their long friendship.
About 20 years ago, on Parkinson Billy told Parkie that he'd been suffering from sleep apnoea.

They think it is more prevalent, and silently damaging that people realise. Let's hope its not linked to Parkinson's. Alzheimers and so on.

BC's solution was to wear a pocketed T-shirt backwards and put a tennis ball in the pocket on his back; then he want for the whole back-pack with a football in it. - supposed to keep you on your side unmoving.
Not a good prospect to be losing brain cells through oxygen deprivation while sleeping. Do you have a lot of oxygen giving companion plants inside? I'm building up a group of snake plants in my bedroom, which I hope to add extra oxygen.

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by Felix » August 28th, 2018, 2:02 am

I'm building up a group of snake plants in my bedroom, which I hope to add extra oxygen.
You might want to add a mongoose plant to keep the snake plants in line:
http://www.projectnoah.org/spottings/66 ... fullscreen

There are treatments for sleep apnea, it's not something to take lightly, can be quite deleterious to your health.
"We do not see things as they are; we see things as we are." - Anaïs Nin

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by Greta » August 28th, 2018, 2:36 am

Felix wrote:
August 28th, 2018, 2:02 am
There are treatments for sleep apnea, it's not something to take lightly, can be quite deleterious to your health.
It would seem that if he has discussed the issue with his oncologist that he's not taking the condition lightly.

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 28th, 2018, 4:23 am

Greta wrote:
August 27th, 2018, 6:57 pm
ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 27th, 2018, 6:39 pm


It's about ageing. My oncologist told me to expect my irradiated parts to be around 20 years older than the rest of me.
My 58 year old lungs are trying to collect air via an upper oesophagus that is 78 years old.

I've been watching some Billy Connolly on Youtube, since this week Parkinson said he'd gone to dinner with the Big Yin and was asked "Have I known you a long time." Obviously Parky was very upset that his name-sake disease had robbed Billy of the memory of their long friendship.
About 20 years ago, on Parkinson Billy told Parkie that he'd been suffering from sleep apnoea.

They think it is more prevalent, and silently damaging that people realise. Let's hope its not linked to Parkinson's. Alzheimers and so on.

BC's solution was to wear a pocketed T-shirt backwards and put a tennis ball in the pocket on his back; then he want for the whole back-pack with a football in it. - supposed to keep you on your side unmoving.
Not a good prospect to be losing brain cells through oxygen deprivation while sleeping. Do you have a lot of oxygen giving companion plants inside? I'm building up a group of snake plants in my bedroom, which I hope to add extra oxygen.
You need to know that plants consume Oxygen during the night.
Keeping a window part open would be better.

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by Greta » August 28th, 2018, 5:30 am

ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 28th, 2018, 4:23 am
Greta wrote:
August 27th, 2018, 6:57 pm

Not a good prospect to be losing brain cells through oxygen deprivation while sleeping. Do you have a lot of oxygen giving companion plants inside? I'm building up a group of snake plants in my bedroom, which I hope to add extra oxygen.
You need to know that plants consume Oxygen during the night.
Keeping a window part open would be better.
Not snake plants: https://www.quora.com/If-snake-plants-g ... me-as-well

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 28th, 2018, 8:56 am

Greta wrote:
August 28th, 2018, 5:30 am
ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 28th, 2018, 4:23 am


You need to know that plants consume Oxygen during the night.
Keeping a window part open would be better.
Not snake plants: https://www.quora.com/If-snake-plants-g ... me-as-well
Thanks.
you learn something new everyday.

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 28th, 2018, 8:58 am

ThomasHobbes wrote:
August 28th, 2018, 8:56 am
Greta wrote:
August 28th, 2018, 5:30 am

Not snake plants: https://www.quora.com/If-snake-plants-g ... me-as-well
Thanks.
you learn something new everyday.
Sadly my bedroom gets basically no sunshine.

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by Greta » August 28th, 2018, 5:05 pm

Bugger. Maybe load up in other parts of your home that does get sun?

Also note that they can survive for long periods in a dark room as long as they have a weekly "holiday" out in the sun. They are great survivors but grow better if sunned. I've heard of instances where snake plants have found alive and neglected in pots in dark corners for years (but obviously not thriving).

Hardly a cure-all but I figure that every bit might help with these things.

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by Cosmogenes » August 31st, 2018, 9:45 pm

With all the millions of "gods" and "goddesses" available to choose from, agnostics just cannot make up their minds. Even the Bible is loaded with many different ideas using the same names. All gods exist only on paper and in the believers minds.

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Re: Questions to an agnostic

Post by Mark1955 » September 6th, 2018, 9:50 am

Felix wrote:
August 22nd, 2018, 4:13 pm
Mark1955: So it's important to you that a religious experience comes wrapped in the correct sectarian garb and from an approved supplier otherwise it can't be religious experience however much it feels like one.
I never called it a religious experience, do religious experiences arrive with a label on them?
You said
Felix wrote:
August 22nd, 2018, 4:13 pm
I probably would have been quite willing to put him on a guru pedestal, but the idea seemed blasphemous to me.
I interpreted the use of the word blasphemy as meaning you saw this a religious matter.
If you think you know the answer you probably don't understand the question.

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