We are in complete agreement on the reality that the business of medicine is governed by the rules and motivations of business (profit seeking), we also agree that the practitioners of medicine tend as a whole to adhere to the rules of medicine, curing disease and alleviating suffering.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2018, 4:27 pmAs you presented it, could be implied that there was a break down in logic as if it would be impossible for a corrupt health system to be oversubscribed by those wishing to use it.LuckyR wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2018, 3:55 pm. Thus comments on the known shortfalls of Modern Medicine can be logically addressed with: "compared to what?"
I was not trying to imply that one made the other impossible, rather that one opposes the other in a universe where inconsistencies are common and expected (as you pointed out)
My view is that there are many aspect of the system which are corrupt. And alongside that are some of the most brilliant, altruistic, loving and giving humans you could ever hope to meet working in that system. In some ways those paragons of duty and service we call nurses and doctors are in part unwittingly supporting money grabbing wankers whose main aim is to screw as much money out of sick and vulnerable people, and these wankers are not only exploiting suffering patients but the good people who genuinely care for the sick.
I think the claim that health care is exploited by people over using it is poor. Obviously there will always be a minority of hypochondriacs visiting the doctor for minor ailments but I do not think this is significant.
In the US visiting the GP is not fully covered by insurance. If it were then people might want to visit for piffling ailments to get their money's worth. In the UK I can't imagine many would sit in a busy waiting room for no reason at all, - and it can be a bitch to get a convenient appointment.
You might want to argue that A&E is oversubscribed by self inflicted idiots on a Saturday night - true. And little boys with saucepans stuck on their heads - but triage tends to to take care of oversubscription with serious cases getting the care they need.
Many could do with staying away and letting their common cold run its course, but people get genuinely worried about persistent symptoms and a visit can have a reassuring effect. Medicine is all about making people feel better.
You can talk about drugs all day - over prescribed, over designed, under engineered, and aggressively advertised. Pharma does not tend to meet suffering patients face to face. They are money making enterprises, and the move to make really expensive palliative drugs for the cancer "market" rather than work on cheaper curative solutions is scandal.
On the matter of vaccinations. Anti-vaccers and basically idiots, goaded on by the most disgraceful irresponsible media.
As I mentioned already I similarly do not feel that patients overuse medicine to a large degree.
Of course there are idiots in every arena, and the science deniers and conspiracy theorists are Medicine's cross to bear.
As to the shortfalls of Western medicine, it is well known that in the area of disease treatment, it can't be beat. OTOH, it is not particularly successful at symptom alleviation when compared to nonWestern medicine. However, that is not a bad thing. If your problem is insomnia, why use a weird chemical from a factory instead of a glass of warm milk? If you have low energy (in the absence of disease), going to the gym will be better than a pharmaceutical. So stop going to the doctor, read a book and fix these First World problems without a prescription.