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Islamic Terrror By Family of Six

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Karpel Tunnel
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Re: Islamic Terrror By Family of Six

Post by Karpel Tunnel » June 17th, 2018, 5:11 pm

Spectrum wrote:
June 9th, 2018, 9:24 pm
What??
Don't you know I.S.IS was/is the mothership of 95% of all Islamic terrorist then and now.
Those words quoted were from I.SI.S official magazine.
As I said you quoted a couple of terrorists. Weak sample. Are you saying that ISIS's magazine is an accurate description of reality and not an organ of propaganda? Are you saying that the magazine's editors are rational people who will put forward all the factors or even the correct factors motivating their behavior and the behavior of the generally direct action terrorists? Further TH is suggesting is that other factors can be looked at as causal: some i would bring up would be colonialism and post-colonial manipulation of Middle Eastern governments and peoples. Criticisms of what they consider decadence are other factors.
Individual issues with identity - this is often a factor in second generation immigrations who become terrorists. One can be motivated by the conditions and emotions caused by other things AND be motivated by what you focused on. They are not mutually exclusive. Which I said already.

You did not interact with my points. Which is pretty much essential to rational discourse. And then you make a psychic claim...
Problem with is you are not interested in facts and truth in this case.
You can't read my mind. Ad homs do not contribute to the discussion. Appeals to incredulity to not contribute to the discussion. Interaction with other people's points is a good and necessary start. I don't find you to be respectful because you rely on things that do not contribute too often and do not interact with other people's points made often enough.

And just to be clear...none of the above means I think the terrorist actions are justified.

I'll ignore you again for a while at least.

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Re: Islamic Terrror By Family of Six

Post by Spectrum » June 18th, 2018, 12:18 am

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
June 17th, 2018, 5:11 pm
As I said you quoted a couple of terrorists. Weak sample. Are you saying that I.S.I.S's magazine is an accurate description of reality and not an organ of propaganda? Are you saying that the magazine's editors are rational people who will put forward all the factors or even the correct factors motivating their behavior and the behavior of the generally direct action terrorists?
I did not state nor imply I.S.I.S' magazine reflect reality as it is.
What I had stated is I.S.I.S' magazine represents what is Islam-proper in accordance to the Quran which is God's immutable words. As such the people of I.S.I.S are adhering to God's command as in the Quran and acting out their divine duty.

Note many terrorist groups are pledging allegiance to I.S.I.S.
The Leader of I.S.I.S has a PhD in Islamic studies and many of the other leaders of I.S.I.S are very well versed in the Quran and other related Islamic materials.
I believe the top leaders of I.S.I.S are 'rational' as confined to the Quran and other holy texts and they will obey every words of their Allah. These Muslims will only consider whatever [moral, etc.] is stated in the Quran and no where else.

I claimed I have done very extensive research on the Quran & Islam, so I understand thoroughly what the leaders and believers of I.S.I.S are acting upon as true Muslims.

nb: I used 'I.S.I.S' with dots as a personal preference instead of the normal.
Further TH is suggesting is that other factors can be looked at as causal: some i would bring up would be colonialism and post-colonial manipulation of Middle Eastern governments and peoples. Criticisms of what they consider decadence are other factors.
Individual issues with identity - this is often a factor in second generation immigrations who become terrorists. One can be motivated by the conditions and emotions caused by other things AND be motivated by what you focused on. They are not mutually exclusive. Which I said already.
Note the I.S.I.S magazine [read my points again] stated the primary and secondary factors they acted upon to kill non-believers. They stated the political reasons by other non-believers are merely secondary but the primary reason they killed and want to kill more non-believers is purely because they are disbelievers of Islam.

If you are a non-Muslim you MUST take note of the above threat. In fact, as a non-Muslim you are in a state of being threatened by SOME Muslims since everywhere you are, you [& other non-Muslims] could be killed by bomb blowing off from some suicide bombers obeying the command of Allah.

So the point is SOME [a pool of appx. 300 million evil prone Muslims :shock: ] will be driven by the commands of Allah to kill non-believers purely because the do not believe in Islam, the Quran and Muhammad. The often quoted political reasons, i.e. exploitation, occupation, poverty, identity, etc., are merely smokescreens to the primary reason, i.e. non-believers [supposedly born Muslims] had rejected Islam, thus they deserved to be killed or be subjected to other 'evils' and violent acts as stated in the Quran.
Note the glaring evidence of this stats;

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg

I am not insisting ALL the numbers above are traceable to the Quran, but when we peel to below the surface, the majority of the above fatal killings are reducible to sanctions and commands of Allah within the Quran.

The unfortunate thing is the majority of non-Muslims [even moderate Muslims] refuse to acknowledge [due to ignorance or indifference] the above direct link between the Quran and killings by Islamists.
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.

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Re: Islamic Terrror By Family of Six

Post by Spectrum » June 18th, 2018, 12:22 am

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
June 17th, 2018, 5:11 pm
You can't read my mind. Ad homs do not contribute to the discussion. Appeals to incredulity to not contribute to the discussion. Interaction with other people's points is a good and necessary start. I don't find you to be respectful because you rely on things that do not contribute too often and do not interact with other people's points made often enough.
If I missed them it is because I did not understand your points else I would have responded.
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.

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Re: Islamic Terrror By Family of Six

Post by Intellectual_Savnot » December 3rd, 2018, 1:36 am

How about this. People do what they are convinced to be correct. Imagine in a vegan society some Muslim eats a whole chicken coop worth of chickens and everybody goes wildover this massacre. If that happened in this life we would call it "McNuggets". We are CONVINCED that eating McNuggets is Perfectly a-ok. We are convinved that human murder is not a-ok. Those who fought in WW2 naturally assumed that the Guinea ****** were subhumans who were naturally obliged to help them cross the river via piggyback ride. They were convinced by that which they were told and, as were the slave owners and the African slave dealers, very greedy and didn't care because they were not convinced that such greed was wrong enough to warrant different actions. Nowadays, I can give somebody white guilt by drinking from the bottom half of the drinking fountain at school. If someone is truly convinced of a thing, convinced they are correct, that they defend the honor of their king (or god), that the "enemies" deserve, they will act. If they can, they will act. I know people I would kill to defend, people I would kill if they asked me to pull the plug, people I would kill to honor or by indirect command. I am convinced in the wholesome sould of these individuals, something I am convinced is worth protecting, worth commint Tokko Tai for. I am not religious, (and not a killer) but yet I still am wholly CONVINCED

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