Gertie wrote: ↑May 18th, 2018, 4:11 pm
Spectrum
The above is happening in so many places around the World and morally worst when it is going on in the US, UK and Europe.
The subliminal message implanted in the subconscious mind of non-Muslims from the explicit terrors by Islamists is 'If you complain about us, we will kill you' with the sanction of God.
Those infected with such a threatening virus [meme] will not dare to discuss the issues too seriously because doing it will trigger subliminal pains and uneasiness.
It is not only for themselves but when others are critiquing the Islamists the 'virus' in them will also trigger pains and uneasiness. This is why they will try to shut others up by all means including imposing Laws or even killing to shut people up.
This is the reason the cowards and cowed of the West are instituting Laws and people like Antifa are using violence to shut people up from talking of specifically Islamic evils. The fact is the emphasis is only on Islam and not other religions is already telling and supporting my explanation of the psychology behind it.
Your counters to the above?
It's simplistic ********. The most charitable response is that you're naive, but as you're so immune to any other possibility than your own black and white narrative, it's pointless offering you more nuanced and ultimately truthful perspectives to consider.
I did not ignore to other possibilities. Note I wrote in the above;
- Spectrum: "Poverty and ignorance are only two secondary factors but they are not the ultimate nor proximate causes that trigger an Islamist to kill non-believers. The main reason why Islamists kill non-believers is not even politics and other social factors."
Note I mentioned many times ALL evils acts and potentials must be addressed but to topic this forum is only for religious matters.
Point is, to be effective in problem solving the most critical strategy is to deal with the ultimate and proximate root causes first.
If you deal with the superficial and secondary causes ONLY, that is fire-fighting.
Do you agree with this principle?
Actually you are the one who is naive is the effective techniques of Problem Solving.
If you were genuinely asking for my view, I'd explain that I believe religion plays a role in terrorism and the awful mess which currently exists in the Middle East. But so does history, politics, and the bleedin obvious fact - which terrorists themselves point out, that western countries have invaded Islamic countries, killed countless people, and helped set the whole area ablaze. And are still interfering and killing people.
Did you read my last previous post?
I'll repeat it again for you what ISIS main ethos is regarding Islam;
1. Because you are disbelievers
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We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices."
It reads: "What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that
your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you
is secondary, hence the reason we addressed it at the end of the above list.
"
The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... ns-8533563
Read the above again, I suggest 10 times.
What ISIS stated above is the exact ethos [mission and vision] from the core of Islam, i.e. the Quran.
I can guess you have not read to understand the Quran thoroughly thus your views are ultimately groundless on this particular issue relating to SOME Muslims. I have spent
loads of time researching the Quran and Islam.
Now, you choose to ignore all that, ignore the psychological impact on people of seeing their friends, family, compatriots butchered. Or view their religious beliefs in the context of how that plays out psychologically for some people. A choice, which as I say, can most charitably be interpreted as naive.
I understand human nature is such that people will react to threats against them and counter attack but this has been going on since humans emerged and animals are also doing that.
But there is a difference when people [Muslims only] quote verses from religious texts to kill in the name of their religion and a God which is fictitious and illusory.
And you point to the psychology of westerners who do think this way, as being cowed and terrorised into... what? Seeing the larger and horribly complex context?
I mentioned westerners specifically but this happen to people from all over the world as well.
If you cannot get my point, I suggest you read up subliminal psychology and brainwashing.
Note the incidents of 1000s of innocent young girls being groomed and raped in UK [Rotherham, etc.] by the majority of Muslims men and the police dare not do anything about it for fear of being branded anti-Islam and fearing retaliation from Muslim mobs.
The same submission [Islam = submission] is happening elsewhere where the authorities will placate the demands from Muslims to avoid being threatened.
You say trying to understand this larger context is really cowardice. Not condemning an entire religion of millions of people (including innocent people murdered by my government) is cowardice. Not condemning my Muslim friends and neighbours who I know and like, one of whom was spat on the street after a terrorist attack, is cowardice. Because it's that response to innocent people your blanket condemnation breeds, and what we know we have to be careful not to foster - it puts the lives and well-being of my friends and neighbours at risk. And that's exactly why we need to be cautious and nuanced in how we talk about this issue, it has real life consequences for a vulnerable minority in our countries.
You are ignorant of my stance re Muslims.
Note I raised this thread;
Do Not Bash Muslims!
My focus is not on the people, i.e. Muslims but rather it is on the ideology.
It is same as condemning Nazism in the 1930-40s and not the German people who were Nazi members.
The truths must be told. I agree while we expose the truth of the evil ethos of Islam the religion, we MUST be careful to avoid blaming the believers, i.e. Muslims. I am confident there are ways to do this.
It's also counter-productive to emphasise the Us and Them narrative, as has been pointed out it's a recruitment tool for those who see Us as the baddies. We're all people, and we should be looking for peaceful and just solutions. We can at least do that in our own lives, while the people with power escalate and draw us into their global ideological and power games.
It is not us versus them [non-Muslims versus Muslim] in this case, note my
Do Not Bash Muslims! thread.
How can you resolve the existing Islamic-based terrorism [in fact getting worse and more threatening] if you do not address the ultimate and proximate root causes?
My strategy to deal with the problem of Islamic-based terrorism are as follows;
1. Focus on the truth of the ideology, i.e. its glaring evil ethos against non-believers.
2. the psychology of theism re an illusory God
3. the psychological impact of the inherent terror threats of Islam on non-believers.
I find you are very naive. What you have offered is only blank condemnation without any serious arguments of substance.
potential Muslims out there on a ever ready to kill non-Muslims. This is so evident and is a fact, i.e. here is one stats among others;