David Cooper wrote: ↑
May 29th, 2018, 6:09 pm
Spectrum wrote: ↑
May 29th, 2018, 12:00 am
From the above the ultimate root cause of evil and violent acts are traceable to the human DNA. It would too difficult to tweak the basic DNA to resolve the issue of the potential evil and violence.
Evolution caused the problem by rewarding rape and pillage genes, so I'm sure it could be reversed by cutting down the amount of such genes. We probably all carry such genes, but it will take certain combinations of them before you create an evil individual where they have a higher proportion of those genes than average. If we stopped such violent individuals breeding, or limited the number of children they can have, we could drive change in the right direction without having to do any direct gene modification. Once we have AGI though, we'll also be able to build intelligent devices into clothing that can deliver electric shocks which violent individuals would be required to wear, and whenever they try to do something seriously immoral they could be temporarily disabled. It's easy to identify most of those problem individuals in childhood because they give themselves away many times by bulling other children, and they shouldn't just be allowed to go on spending their entire childhood becoming better and better at hiding their viciousness.
It is not likely, there are no specific genes for 'rape' and 'pillage'.
DNA wise, the male is created with a sexual drive, a 'dick' impulse control function, and other modular system.
What happen could be some weakness and weak connectivity during RNA activities and the potential rapist has a weak impulse control function and other weaknesses.
There are many neural activities leading one to be a rapist or commit other evil acts, but the final hurdle is the weak impulse control function is overwhelmed.
E.g. Alcohol or certain drugs can artificially weaken a person's impulse control function.
The ultimate root cause of religiosity is the basic DNA. Since the basic DNA is too complex to tweak, we can look at the proximate root causes of religiosity which are located in the brain/mind, i.e. the sets of neurons.
...we should be able to get inside the box [brain] and deal [btw must be foolproof] with the issue of religiosity neural wise.
I think that'll be harder to control than modifying DNA, and most people aren't going to agree that religiosity needs to be treated either - they not only see it as benign, but as a positive thing that makes them feel happy. I don't think there's a moral case for trying to eliminate it because it is separate from the hate and violence aspects.
I think you're going a step too far. The love of violence and hate drives abuses, but being religious in itself doesn't, and it may even drive some people to do kind things that they wouldn't do otherwise.
You have overlooked some missing links here.
At the moment the majority >85% of humans are religious, so obviously they are bias and will not want any changes to their religion.
I am banking on the current trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge to educate the masses through direct experience to enable them to understand the root cause of being religious. It will not happen NOW but soon.
Note my thesis.
- 1. DNA wise ALL humans has a potential for evil.
2. 20% of the above are unfortunately born and through RNA has an active evil tendency.
3. Religions and especially Islam is laden with loads of evil laden elements.
Note 20% of 90% of 7 billion people = appx 1.2+ billion
As for Islam that would be 20% of 1.5 b = 300 million believers with an active evil tendency.
I presume you are aware evil and violent elements in media will influence the vulnerable to commit evil and violence. This is why they are banned, censored and modulated.
Thus the combination of 1, 2 and 3 will definitely caused SOME from the above percentile to commit a range of evil acts.
The facts of the above and real evil acts of SOME Muslims are already there, i.e.
It is strange to me you cannot do the simple inference from cause to effects.
Morality is not just something that people learn, argues Yale psychologist Paul Bloom: It is something we are all born with.
It's an incomplete evolved system of morality which is there because it makes a community/tribe more successful, but not everyone has it, and it can have a restricted range which prevent it being applied to people of other tribes, thereby enabling ordinarily-nice people to do vile things to others when they fail to identify with them.
I believe the basic moral function is already established within the human DNA but it is not very active in the majority. It is slowly unfolding within humanity.
Note relative to 2000->200 years ago humanity has now made Chattel Slavery illegal in all recognized Nations without any help from religions [some inherently condone slavery].
So there is already a trend of increasing level of morality within humanity and is continuing to unfold positively. What we need is to expedite this trend into a steeper curve of positive progress.
What happens with religious hate is exactly that - people who can be perfectly moral within their religious tribe can throw morality right out the window when they're dealing with people outside of that group because they can't relate to them. If their holy texts compare those outsiders with animals and dehumanise them, that's a powerful way to disable moral controls when dealing with them - Hitler used the same methods to dehumanise the Jews, leading to genocide on a monumental scale with lots of "ordinary" people being roped in to do the killing, which they were prepared to do because they had been so successfully been programmed to see the people they were to kill as vermin.
One of the big problems that we're up against is that there are a great many people who see the very real problem with Islam but who go too far, dehumanising Muslims rather than just condemning the holy hate that drives all the abuses, and they wouldn't care at all if the problem was "resolved" by the genocide of all Muslims.
The dehumanizing element is inherently within the core of Islam, i.e. the Quran and this is objectively evident.
So I wonder how you could arrive at the conclusion people [and you?] see religions [Islam in particular] as benign.
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.