Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

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Re: Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

Post by -1- » June 29th, 2018, 1:55 pm

ThomasHobbes wrote:
June 28th, 2018, 3:31 am
Spectrum wrote:
June 27th, 2018, 10:23 pm
Note this,

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Note this:

22 million have died on the roads in the same period.
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Of the twenty-two million deaths on roads: how many were terrorist acts? The Boston Marathon Massacre claimed a few.
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Re: Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

Post by ThomasHobbes » June 29th, 2018, 2:11 pm

Spectrum wrote:
June 29th, 2018, 2:06 am
ThomasHobbes wrote:
June 28th, 2018, 4:25 pm

Rubbish.
It is so easy and any can post a one-word response, like 'Rubbish' 'Bullsh:t' 'Nonsense' etc., to another's posts, but actually that only reveals the responder's low intellectual capacity and integrity.

Post some justified arguments against what I had stated?
Okay!
Not rubbish. Irrelevant.

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Re: Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

Post by ThomasHobbes » June 29th, 2018, 2:12 pm

-1- wrote:
June 29th, 2018, 1:55 pm
ThomasHobbes wrote:
June 28th, 2018, 3:31 am


Note this:

22 million have died on the roads in the same period.
BAN cars!
Of the twenty-two million deaths on roads: how many were terrorist acts?
Statistically nil.

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Re: Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

Post by Spectrum » June 29th, 2018, 10:56 pm

Karpel Tunnel wrote:
June 29th, 2018, 7:43 am
Spectrum wrote:
June 28th, 2018, 5:42 am

There is significant difference.

Road rage is driven by a person's anger, i.e. a primary emotion. Note the yellow parts in the image of the brain below.

Religious 'lust' that end up with killings and evils originate and is driven by the existential drives which are very much deeper than the emotions. These are driven from the deeper red part of the brain below.

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Well, if we are going to work with that ridiculous diagram, it seems to me road rage comes under aggression. Given that rage leads to aggression, aggression in others leads to rage (and fear). When one is aggressive one often feels rage. Clinically things like Intermittent rage disorder and rage syndrome will both be described use both rage and aggression. IOW the two things are tied together and they sure are in road rage. And even self-preservation plays a role in road rage. To varying degrees drivers are aware that this is a life threatening situation, driving that is, and so when others drive badly or dangerously, as perceived by the rager, they may be threatening the life of the rager. Of course road rage can be triggered by other things.

In any case, going by the chart we can happily put road rage in the red.

I wouldn't give that much weight, because it is a silly diagram, wildly oversimplified and the triune brain hypothesis is not so popular anymore.
Problem is posting of images in this forum is restricted 500 x 500 KB which is a very primitive restriction especially in the current state of megabites.

The Triune Brain hypothesis is very crude, it has relevance but need further explanations to cover the various fine connectivity. The triune brain hypothesis is a useful starter for those new to neuroscience and neuro-anatomy and neuro-psychology. You [familiar with neuroscience] is not the ONLY reader in this forum.
Scientists discover RAGE part of the brain
Experiments on male mice found chemical changes in the lateral septum (LS) which lies in the middle of the brain made them attack peers without warning.

Professor Dayu Lin, of New York University, said: "Our latest findings show how the lateral septum in mice plays a gatekeeping role, simultaneously 'pushing down the brake' and 'lifting the foot off the accelerator' of violent behaviour."

The LS is attached to the hippocampus , which controls emotion, from which it receives electrical signals.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/he ... rage-brain
In a forum like this I can only post rough points and is not practical for me to go into the finer details [for backing up] which I ensure I always have up my sleeves. You will never catch me 'shooting from the hips' with my ideas and thesis.

I mentioned ALL human activities [with very minimal exceptions] are traceable to survival and preservation of the species.
The manifestation of road rage is traceable along the lines of factors like social and nurturing conditions, emotions, primal survival, preservation of the species.
Aggression is a basic primal drive [e.g. positive in competition, determination, progress, - negative in evil] however in the situation of road rage in general the critical factor [heaviest weightage] to be isolated is the anger emotions. This is why we have anger [not aggression] management recommendation for those who are prone to road rage.

Note there are many cases of road rage due critically to low blood sugar, diabetes,
https://www.thediabetescouncil.com/are- ... ggression/
hunger, drugs and various medical problems.
These problems trigger the 'anger' and aggression impulses that cause the road rage which is often temporary.

But in general, road rage is due to a driver who has a strong angry disposition most of the time.
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Re: Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

Post by Spectrum » June 29th, 2018, 11:17 pm

-1- wrote:
June 29th, 2018, 1:55 pm
ThomasHobbes wrote:
June 28th, 2018, 3:31 am


Note this:

22 million have died on the roads in the same period.
BAN cars!
Of the twenty-two million deaths on roads: how many were terrorist acts? The Boston Marathon Massacre claimed a few.
Most of those who cannot sense the potential threat of religions especially Islam in the future are very short-sighted.

Note I mentioned ALL evils, killings,premature deaths, and the likes MUST be addressed and resolved.
This is a religious forum, so we are supposed to deal with religious matters only.

Besides secular wars, religions are attributed with the responsibility of killing millions of people over its history.

The greatest evil potential of religion is where Islam has the potential to exterminate the human species when SOME evil prone Muslims inspired by their religion to kill, get access to cheap nukes.

Point is, it is win-win for Muslims as they will go the paradise regardless of what happens to a nuked and destroyed Earth. This is so evident with Muslim suicide-bombers and nukes are merely a bigger bomb that bring in greater merits for them in the eyes of their God.
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Re: Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

Post by Dark Matter » July 1st, 2018, 4:54 am

Spectrum wrote:
May 23rd, 2018, 12:22 am
Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

On the surface there are differences, but fundamentally they are the similar primal impulse driven from the basement of the brain.
I understand sex and religion do involve all parts of the brain but I am more interested in the fundamentals not the forms.

Note the major part of the brain below.
I believe the sexual drive is driven fundamentally from the brain stem [reptillian] and the religious drive is much deeper within the brain stem.

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While the extreme of the sexual lust end up with mass rapes, the extreme of religious lust end up with mass murders [Jim Jones, etc.] and genocides [Armenian, Yazidis, etc.].

Comments?

Note: I understand politics and other ideologies are also very fundamental and bad, but to topic we are only dealing and referring to religion in this thread.
As AE said, "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Seriously, you should pay more attention to modern research instead of just spouting your nonsense.

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Re: Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

Post by Spectrum » July 2nd, 2018, 12:34 am

Dark Matter wrote:
July 1st, 2018, 4:54 am
Spectrum wrote:
May 23rd, 2018, 12:22 am
Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

On the surface there are differences, but fundamentally they are the similar primal impulse driven from the basement of the brain.
I understand sex and religion do involve all parts of the brain but I am more interested in the fundamentals not the forms.

Note the major part of the brain below.
I believe the sexual drive is driven fundamentally from the brain stem [reptillian] and the religious drive is much deeper within the brain stem.

Image

While the extreme of the sexual lust end up with mass rapes, the extreme of religious lust end up with mass murders [Jim Jones, etc.] and genocides [Armenian, Yazidis, etc.].

Comments?

Note: I understand politics and other ideologies are also very fundamental and bad, but to topic we are only dealing and referring to religion in this thread.
As AE said, "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Seriously, you should pay more attention to modern research instead of just spouting your nonsense.
I find your views on this point very stupid.

'Know your audience' is a critical maxim in communication. Note not everyone in this forum are very familiar with neurosciences and neuro-anatomy.
As I had qualified the triune brain hypothesis is very crude but still useful to some degree as a starting point for those not familiar with neuroscience and neuro-anatomy. Note,
The broad explanatory value makes this approximation [Triune Brain] very engaging and is a useful level of complexity for high school students to begin engaging with brain research.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_br ... _the_model
The theory has been embraced by some psychiatrists and at least one leading affective neuroscience researcher.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain
The intelligent move is to start from somewhere crude to cater for the beginners and move into more complex areas subsequently.
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Re: Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

Post by Dark Matter » July 2nd, 2018, 5:26 am

Just can't help yourself, can you? Where does the religious experience take place? I'm talking empirical evidence, not your mindless speculation.

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Re: Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

Post by Spectrum » July 2nd, 2018, 11:56 pm

Dark Matter wrote:
July 2nd, 2018, 5:26 am
Just can't help yourself, can you? Where does the religious experience take place? I'm talking empirical evidence, not your mindless speculation.
As usual your thinking and ideas are childish, narrow and shallow.

Have you ever researched [empirically and rationally] thoroughly on the concept of 'experience' from the psychology, philosophy, neurosciences, evolutionary psychology, etc. perspective? I don't believe you have!

Note the philosophical definition of 'experience';
The concept of human experience [including religious] must be grounded on the full range of elements inherited from our evolution since the first one-cell living things 4 billion years ago that is programmed our DNA and RNA.

This is where we introduce the Triune Brain concept as a crude starting point.

Your ideas are narrow, shallow and stupid.
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Re: Is There Any Difference Between Sexual Lust and Religious 'Lust?'

Post by Dark Matter » July 3rd, 2018, 12:44 am

Why no mention of the empirically verified fact that religious experience can be linked to the prefrontal cortex?

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