Can Heaven Or Hell Exist If There Is No God?

[Steve3007]

The saying that War is Hell proves this point and the Nazi Death Squads are proof this place is Hell.

Sounds like a bit of a "glass half empty" view of the world.

Are you open to the idea of analyzing reasons why such things as the Nazi death camps come about, and the circumstances under which human beings tend to behave like that towards others? Or would you just say "it's hell" and leave it at that?

I tend to take a practical view of these things, by saying "I don't like things like that happening. If I look at the circumstances under which it happened I might be able to suggest policies that will make such things less likely to happen in the future." I don't find the "it's hell" reaction very satisfying.

Earthellism can prevent future genocides by explaining that as a soldier you choose to be a human devil by killing women and children and will send your innocent victims to Heaven to be fully compensated by a loving God. As that human devil soldier you are guaranteed eternity in Hell and die a thousand deaths for each drop of innocent blood you spill and no chance to go to Heaven and never be with God. Hitler is here in Hell dying a thousand deaths for each drop of innocent blood of 6 million people he is responsible for killing.

Ok, that sounds like a practical proposition for solving the problem. How is it working out so far?

[Steve3007]

God’s love is here only.
God is not here on earthell.

You make the situation seem akin to Curiosity rover being on Mars, while humans themselves cannot go there.

I suppose some might say He's been "phoning it in" (apart from that one time). But in these strange times that we live, working from home and communicating remotely is de rigueur. A trend setter?

[Sy Borg]

God’s love is here only.
God is not here on earthell.

You make the situation seem akin to Curiosity rover being on Mars, while humans themselves cannot go there.

I suppose some might say He's been "phoning it in" (apart from that one time). But in these strange times that we live, working from home and communicating remotely is de rigueur. A trend setter?

Who knows? Maybe one of these new age notions is correct? It would help there there was some straightforward reasoning taking one from A to B, though.

What we do know matters for certain is the heaven or hell that we experience on Earth, and the role our mind can play in making it one or the other via interpretation of events, ie. philosophy.

[Darshan]

Thank you for your great reply.
The great “ Problem of Evil” which tend to turn most logical human beings into atheist is solved by Earthellism. By proving any place worse than Hell is the true Hell confirms where we are. In biblical Hell only those who sin suffer. In earthell, not only does sinners suffer but pure innocence also suffer tremendously.
Hell is the absence of a God and if God was here there would not be genocide here.

[Steve3007]

[Thank you for your great reply.

I could ask who you're talking to here, but I guess it doesn't really matter. I suppose it's kind of a throat clearing exercise before the repetition of the core message. So I guess you're one of those "I'm not interested in discussion; I'm just here to tell you the truth" kind of posters?

[Belindi]

Thank you for your great reply.
The great “ Problem of Evil” which tend to turn most logical human beings into atheist is solved by Earthellism. By proving any place worse than Hell is the true Hell confirms where we are. In biblical Hell only those who sin suffer. In earthell, not only does sinners suffer but pure innocence also suffer tremendously.
Hell is the absence of a God and if God was here there would not be genocide here.

Yes it does solve the problem of evil. In Earthellism nature is totally evil .The innocent suffer with the guilty because with total evil there is no justice.

I don't trust Earthellism because I see some good in this natural world , and most people do see some good in this natural world. The problem of evil affects only theists and I am not a theist.

[Sy Borg]

I don't trust Earthellism because I see some good in this natural world , and most people do see some good in this natural world. The problem of evil affects only theists and I am not a theist.

He would say that the good is God's love, but without God. God sends his/her/its love while humans send rovers and probes. Or God may be like David Attenborough, observing, and approving of, an ants' nest while not actually physically being there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er-OnJCn1gg

[Terrapin Station]

The great “ Problem of Evil” which tend to turn most logical human beings into atheist

Actually, I doubt that "The problem of evil" is the impetus for many people changing their minds from theism to atheism. I'm not saying it's never been the impetus, but that's probably rare.

. . . is solved by Earthellism. By proving any place worse than Hell is the true Hell confirms where we are.

Say what?

Maybe you could rephrase that?

In biblical Hell only those who sin suffer. In earthell, not only does sinners suffer but pure innocence also suffer tremendously.
Hell is the absence of a God and if God was here there would not be genocide here.

I'm also not following how this supposedly solves the issue of people becoming atheists in light of the "problem of evil."

[Darshan]

Earthellism sees atheism is a default view when people like Bill Gates and John Lennon and other well known atheist like Hawkings cannot explain how God would allow genocide.

[Darshan]

Last century we used the concept of Free will to explain evil here like genocide of babies and children. In WWII, Hitler’s free will was felt to his right to kill 6 million people. The concept of Free will died as the genocide stopped. God would give us all equal Free will and Hitler cannot have 6 million times more Free will than the people he killed. Free will fails to explain evil in the last century. Earthellism explains evil the best for this pivotal century for humanity.

[Sy Borg]

Darshan, preaching is not permitted on this forum: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3624

You cannot just preach. You need to respond.

[Darshan]

Earthellism, a new philosophy for this century is not a religion. My forceful arguments are based on the book "The Life and Death of Planet Earth" and will gladly answer any question and discuss any aspect of earthellism which was born from this amazing book and the ashes of World War II.

[Sy Borg]

Preaching need not be religious. If you ignore replies and keep pushing your agenda, that is preaching. Please respond to at least some replies with more than motherhood statements or new bursts of preaching.

[evolution]

Thank you for your great reply.
The great “ Problem of Evil” which tend to turn most logical human beings into atheist is solved by Earthellism. By proving any place worse than Hell is the true Hell confirms where we are. In biblical Hell only those who sin suffer. In earthell, not only does sinners suffer but pure innocence also suffer tremendously.
Hell is the absence of a God and if God was here there would not be genocide here.

Are you proposing that genocide is the only thing God would prevent and stop?

And, it appears that you have something very strongly against genocide. If this is correct, then why are you performing a form of genocide yourself, also?

[evolution]

Earthellism sees atheism is a default view when people like Bill Gates and John Lennon and other well known atheist like Hawkings cannot explain how God would allow genocide.

If some people cannot yet explain how, and why, God would, and does, allow genocide, then why exactly would this so called "earthelism" see atheism is a default view of these people?

If atheism is more or less just a rejection of the belief that any Gods exist, then any person can hold this theism view, and not necessarily just because they cannot yet explain how God would allow genocide. Are there any theists yet who can explain, logically and reasonably, how, or why, God would allow genocide?