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"Thoughts" and The concept of God

Discuss philosophical questions regarding theism (and atheism), and discuss religion as it relates to philosophy. This includes any philosophical discussions that happen to be about god, gods, or a 'higher power' or the belief of them. This also generally includes philosophical topics about organized or ritualistic mysticism or about organized, common or ritualistic beliefs in the existence of supernatural phenomenon.
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Re: "Thoughts" and The concept of God

Post by Fdesilva » January 20th, 2019, 4:18 pm

Belindi wrote:
January 19th, 2019, 7:17 pm
Fdesilva wrote:
January 19th, 2019, 5:19 pm

Yes a person is free to believe that atoms/molecules create spirits (consciouness) but to do so is pantheism
No, it isn't.
My reasoning for saying that is as follows. The brain can reflect the universe out side the brain. It makes a little universe. Now in that refelected universe I am king. So given the reflection has a king the real universe must also have a king/God

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Re: "Thoughts" and The concept of God

Post by Belindi » January 20th, 2019, 7:27 pm

Fdesilva wrote:
January 20th, 2019, 4:18 pm
Belindi wrote:
January 19th, 2019, 7:17 pm

No, it isn't.
My reasoning for saying that is as follows. The brain can reflect the universe out side the brain. It makes a little universe. Now in that refelected universe I am king. So given the reflection has a king the real universe must also have a king/God
Pantheism includes all the things that happen,all events . Your fantasy is an event that happened. But what your fantasy of God was about has no referent . If you claim that your thought of God has a referent you need to be able to point to the referent.

The myth of Christ points to a referent for God in the person of Jesus Christ.

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Re: "Thoughts" and The concept of God

Post by Fdesilva » January 21st, 2019, 2:01 pm

Belindi wrote:
January 20th, 2019, 7:27 pm
Fdesilva wrote:
January 20th, 2019, 4:18 pm


My reasoning for saying that is as follows. The brain can reflect the universe out side the brain. It makes a little universe. Now in that refelected universe I am king. So given the reflection has a king the real universe must also have a king/God
Pantheism includes all the things that happen,all events . Your fantasy is an event that happened. But what your fantasy of God was about has no referent . If you claim that your thought of God has a referent you need to be able to point to the referent.

The myth of Christ points to a referent for God in the person of Jesus Christ.

"Pantheism includes all the things that happen,all events" this is true, but a person comes to know this via the events they experiance personnally. From these they infere there is more happening out side of them.

"Your fantasy is an event that happened. But what your fantasy of God was about has no referent ."
All I am saying is a person comes to believe in Pantheism or anything else by refelecting on their own existence in relation to other things that they believe also exist. All these are collectively "thoughts". I dont think I understand what you mean by that statement? If you mean that a person needs to have a reference to show others on what they have come to know about God that is true. However what I am talking about is comming to such a conslusion in the first place.

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Re: "Thoughts" and The concept of God

Post by Belindi » January 21st, 2019, 8:01 pm

Fdesilva, I appreciate your trying to explain to me , and I am sorry I don't understand your explanation.

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Re: "Thoughts" and The concept of God

Post by Fdesilva » January 21st, 2019, 9:52 pm

Belindi wrote:
January 21st, 2019, 8:01 pm
Fdesilva, I appreciate your trying to explain to me , and I am sorry I don't understand your explanation.
You defined Pantheism as "Pantheism includes all the things that happen,all events"
From that do you mean its all the events that have ever happened in the universe and will ever happen in the universe?
If so, in regards to an individual that person would know only a subset of those events that take place in their life. Do you agree

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Re: "Thoughts" and The concept of God

Post by Belindi » January 22nd, 2019, 7:18 am

Fdesilva wrote:
January 21st, 2019, 9:52 pm
Belindi wrote:
January 21st, 2019, 8:01 pm
Fdesilva, I appreciate your trying to explain to me , and I am sorry I don't understand your explanation.
You defined Pantheism as "Pantheism includes all the things that happen,all events"
From that do you mean its all the events that have ever happened in the universe and will ever happen in the universe?
If so, in regards to an individual that person would know only a subset of those events that take place in their life. Do you agree
Yes, I agree.

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Re: "Thoughts" and The concept of God

Post by Fdesilva » January 23rd, 2019, 10:29 pm

Belindi wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 7:18 am
Fdesilva wrote:
January 21st, 2019, 9:52 pm


You defined Pantheism as "Pantheism includes all the things that happen,all events"
From that do you mean its all the events that have ever happened in the universe and will ever happen in the universe?
If so, in regards to an individual that person would know only a subset of those events that take place in their life. Do you agree
Yes, I agree.
Ok so all I am saying is that the discoverer or inventor of Pantheism would have done so using their subset. In this subset they would see themselves as different to rocks or immaterial things. Based on their understanding of the "me" they would have concluded there is a "me" or God across all events that's is even the ones they does not enter their mind.

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Re: "Thoughts" and The concept of God

Post by Belindi » January 24th, 2019, 10:55 am

Fdesilva wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 10:29 pm
Belindi wrote:
January 22nd, 2019, 7:18 am

Yes, I agree.
Ok so all I am saying is that the discoverer or inventor of Pantheism would have done so using their subset. In this subset they would see themselves as different to rocks or immaterial things. Based on their understanding of the "me" they would have concluded there is a "me" or God across all events that's is even the ones they does not enter their mind.
Yes, I agree

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