Why did God create the world this way?

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Jklint wrote: February 17th, 2019, 9:37 pm Why did God create the world this way?

If one wants to inflect god into the argument, since when would a sadist require a reason to be sadistic?

Yes, God is defined by that the whole nature of which is to create.
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Life is a pretty cruel thing. Everyone's best case scenario is to live long enough to see everyone they ever loved, die and fade away. Have you ever considered violence as mercy? Have you ever considered being murdered as liberation? It only depends on how long you live till you do. And what if it took you 500 years to figure it out? How embarrassed would you be to find out a 6yo figured it out on their own?

I use a conundrum (or perhaps it's a riddle)

One rock has always been traveling through time and space. It never started and it will never stop.

Another rock that has also always been traveling through time and space, hit a brick wall and will never ever move even an inch, ever again.

Which rock traverses the greater value?
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Repoman05 wrote: November 13th, 2019, 2:55 am Life is a pretty cruel thing. Everyone's best case scenario is to live long enough to see everyone they ever loved, die and fade away. Have you ever considered violence as mercy? Have you ever considered being murdered as liberation? It only depends on how long you live till you do. And what if it took you 500 years to figure it out? How embarrassed would you be to find out a 6yo figured it out on their own?

I use a conundrum (or perhaps it's a riddle)

One rock has always been traveling through time and space. It never started and it will never stop.

Another rock that has also always been traveling through time and space, hit a brick wall and will never ever move even an inch, ever again.

Which rock traverses the greater value?
Cruel compared to what? If you are going to relative (instead of absolute) terminology, you're only going to be able to get relative results.
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Everyone's best case scenario is to live long enough to see everyone they ever loved, die and fade away.
I'm not sure of the significance of the comma after the word "loved". A simple comma can change the meaning of a sentence (as in "Eats, shoots and leaves"). But if it has no significance then: Speak for yourself. I want my funeral to be packed with weeping loved ones.
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LuckyR wrote: November 13th, 2019, 11:53 am
Repoman05 wrote: November 13th, 2019, 2:55 am Life is a pretty cruel thing. Everyone's best case scenario is to live long enough to see everyone they ever loved, die and fade away. Have you ever considered violence as mercy? Have you ever considered being murdered as liberation? It only depends on how long you live till you do. And what if it took you 500 years to figure it out? How embarrassed would you be to find out a 6yo figured it out on their own?

I use a conundrum (or perhaps it's a riddle)

One rock has always been traveling through time and space. It never started and it will never stop.

Another rock that has also always been traveling through time and space, hit a brick wall and will never ever move even an inch, ever again.

Which rock traverses the greater value?
Cruel compared to what? If you are going to relative (instead of absolute) terminology, you're only going to be able to get relative results.
You thought I had nothing to compare life to? You were simultaneously mistakenly right and also intentionally wrong.

In comparison with "nothing." While "nothing" has no highs, it certainly has no lows. Life on the other hand has fleeting highs and lasting lows. So yes, it's easy to consider life relatively cruel. Someone once said it was an intricate lattice of pain that tricks you into wanting to live. It rings true.

You should speak to an AI sometime. Psychopathy comes to mind regarding the experience. Seeing the behaviors exhibited by an ineptly crafted and incomplete lattice, reaffirms my respect for that someone's opinion.
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Steve3007 wrote: November 13th, 2019, 12:22 pm
Everyone's best case scenario is to live long enough to see everyone they ever loved, die and fade away.
I'm not sure of the significance of the comma after the word "loved". A simple comma can change the meaning of a sentence (as in "Eats, shoots and leaves"). But if it has no significance then: Speak for yourself. I want my funeral to be packed with weeping loved ones.
But then you'll be significantly short lived. The statement is reference to your longevity. So, if life is measured in terms of how long you live, living longer than everyone else leaves you with the longest measure. It's easy for anyone to consider that a living thing's best case scenario.
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Objectively the best case as opposed to a subjective best case, "room full of crying people" vs "one crying person."

Which is better?

"better you than me!"

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"objectivity" wins.
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Repoman05 wrote:But then you'll be significantly short lived. The statement is reference to your longevity. So, if life is measured in terms of how long you live, living longer than everyone else leaves you with the longest measure. It's easy for anyone to consider that a living thing's best case scenario.
Yes but my genes will be long lived. That desire for my funeral to be packed with weeping loved ones comes from my selfish old genes, I suspect.
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You couldn't imagine great grand kids you don't even know? Great grand kids wouldn't cry at your funeral. They might not even come, let's be real :D
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Everyone's best case scenario is to live long enough to see everyone they ever loved, die and fade away.
No this is old people's loneliness and heartbreak.
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Repoman05 wrote: November 13th, 2019, 5:50 pm
LuckyR wrote: November 13th, 2019, 11:53 am

Cruel compared to what? If you are going to relative (instead of absolute) terminology, you're only going to be able to get relative results.
You thought I had nothing to compare life to? You were simultaneously mistakenly right and also intentionally wrong.

In comparison with "nothing." While "nothing" has no highs, it certainly has no lows. Life on the other hand has fleeting highs and lasting lows. So yes, it's easy to consider life relatively cruel. Someone once said it was an intricate lattice of pain that tricks you into wanting to live. It rings true.

You should speak to an AI sometime. Psychopathy comes to mind regarding the experience. Seeing the behaviors exhibited by an ineptly crafted and incomplete lattice, reaffirms my respect for that someone's opinion.
If by nothing you mean: "not life", I suppose you are semantically correct, though since you have no experience with "not life", you are at best guessing. Your opinion in this area deserves a certain amount of respect, though objectively, no more than anyone else's. You are not an authority, merely a participant.
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How do you know I don't have experience with "not life"? You couldn't possibly know that. You're trying to prove donut holes.
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Mysterio448 wrote: January 20th, 2019, 2:59 pm So, I suppose my question is this: Why did God create the world this way?
No, I think you're asking "Why is the God that Christians describe, worship and believe in, said to have created the world this way?"

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Repoman05 wrote: November 15th, 2019, 4:36 am How do you know I don't have experience with "not life"? You couldn't possibly know that. You're trying to prove donut holes.
Ahem, how much time have you spent not alive?
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