Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

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Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by Randy333 » January 12th, 2020, 9:29 pm

I mention sleep paralysis in this post’s title because it’s a title that’s likely to draw more attention than a more specific title tailored to my purposes. I am not strictly interested in sleep paralysis stories. To be specific, I am primarily interested in certain kinds of apparitional experiences, many of which happen to occur during the altered state commonly known as sleep paralysis. I am a collector of memories, a connoisseur of nightmares, if you will. I am enchanted by all matters phantasmagoric, dreadful, and inhuman. If you stay a while and get to know me better, you may find you like some of what I have to offer. For this post, I’ve come here to request personal or secondhand accounts of nonhuman apparitions, namely those strange and sinister specters some call demons or evil spirits. There are many such accounts on the internet, many of them scattered chaotically around divergent comment sections, and many of them hastily written and sometimes lacking in the degree of detail researchers such as myself would like. I could browse for hours through forums, taking notes on the stories that interest me the most. However, rather than do that, I shall begin a new discussion here, for those of you who, like me, are drawn to the anomalous, the dark, the demonic, and the dreadful. As a final note to this introduction, let me make it clear I make no claim about the ultimate truth of the sleep paralysis, hypnagogic, or hypnopompic phenomena nor related and similar aspects of consciousness. I write this post purely as a phenomenological venture, to gather further detailed information on the subjective qualities of specific apparitional experiences. I will not here give any interpretations of such manifestations. Rather, I am only interested in descriptions of them.

A few notes about myself: I am a writer and paranormal researcher, with a primary interest in demonology. I have personal experience in sleep paralysis, hypnagogic and hypnopompic states, shadow apparitions and other manifestations, lucid dreams, and so-called astral projection. On a number of occasions, I have made attempts to deliberately induce sleep paralysis and other such states, and have attempted to commune directly with some of the manifestations associated with these states. While my metaphysical interests extend to the cosmos as a whole, I am drawn deepest to what I can characterize as ethereal elements of the cosmos: questions of dreams, nightmares, sleep paralysis, parasomnia, hauntings, demons, insanity, astral and infernal visions, advanced intelligence, alternate dimensions, the occult, transcendence, and, as an ultimate mystery, immortality. My interest in altered states extends to other dimensions of consciousness as well, to include UFOs, alien contact accounts, DMT realms, salvia realms, and any of the various entities encountered in these spheres. It should be noted that, when I use the word entity, it does not inherently carry a connotation of sentience. Entities in my terminology can be either sentient or insentient. I sometimes prefer the term over ‘beings’ or ‘apparitions’ because it can hold a more neutral connotation, signifying a presence exists as a subjectively external, distinct aspect of a subject’s field of consciousness, wherein many presences assume a form distinguishable from inanimate objects. Many apparitions have a humanoid, creature-like, or monstrous appearance, rather than, say, the appearance of a simple nondescript artifact. These can include humanoid shadows, creature shadows, various nonhuman guises, occasional human-like apparitions, and other kinds of manifestations. Rather than refer to all such manifestations as beings or apparitions, which can foster biases, I find that, semantically, the word entity can be used relatively neutrally to denote an aspect of the experience distinct from mere background.

Those preliminary considerations aside, allow me to clarify a few matters of importance to me, what may be considered possible misconceptions about some of these altered states. I could write much more on the complex nuances and questions involved in this field, and I have, however here I only wish to make a few short mentions to give some context to my approach to this.

For one, sleep paralysis does not always feature complete, unbreakable paralysis. Sometimes the paralysis is only partial and sometimes the paralysis is breakable. It’s conceivable all sleep paralysis is fundamentally breakable even if a subject feels it is unable to break the paralysis in the moment. In any case, a subject can begin a sleep paralysis episode in a complete or partial paralytic state, and then come to find it is able to break the paralysis by itself. Note as well that even if paralysis is broken, this may or may not cancel the altered state itself. I only note these matters for any who have the impression sleep paralysis necessarily involves unbreakable full body paralysis. Hypnagogic and hypnopompic states also do not always feature paralysis. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t. It is possible, for instance, to awake into a hypnopompic state and feel little if any paralysis. This depends in part on the subject.

Beyond that, let us also recognize this: Not everyone is terrified of sleep paralysis and related phenomena. Sleep paralysis is commonly characterized as terrifying by those who experience it. This is a subjectively genuine description and one I have experienced myself. However, terror, dread, and other such emotions are not universal facets of the experience. It is very possible to not be afraid in the state at all, whether of the paralysis, apparitions, or other phenomena present. This stoic approach to parasomnia states can take some time to develop. Even as you begin to eliminate fear, you may find certain manifestations or senses incite dread, such as elements that excite personal phobias. Even so, one’s reaction to such states can in principle and in practice be largely controlled, if not fully controlled. This composed, focused state of mind can allow one to conduct clearer observations and experiments and explore deeper dimensions of consciousness. Bear this methodology in mind as we consider this field and have other experiences in the future.

As an addendum to this section, I would also note I find it important to recognize that there is often a question about whether a subject was actually awake in the normal sense when the subject experienced an altered state such as sleep paralysis. Based on my analysis of my own experiences and those of others, it appears that, sometimes, the subject is awake in the normal sense, and sometimes, the subject is asleep, and only appears to be awake in the normal sense. If you consider telling a story, do note whether the percipient ultimately appeared to be awake.

About three years ago, I was involved in research to compile cases and evidence to establish a clearer, more nuanced account of this somewhat obscure array of phenomena. I find that some authors don’t approach the phenomenon in as much philosophical and scientific depth as they could, and often use mere anecdotes as the bulk of their books, or dismiss the phenomenon entirely as a mere meaningless glitch in the human mind. I feel these matters could benefit from a much closer and experimental examination, and for that I have worked over the years to compile information and organize concepts and research. For the past three years, I largely took a break from this field, and wrote ‘fiction’ as well as dabbled in some creative designs and other interests. Recently, I decided to pick up where I left off and, as part of my literary plans, I intend to write a book devoted to a comprehensive account of a certain breed of apparitional experiences and altered states, namely the vein of reality called the demonic by some. There is wide disagreement about the nature of the demonic, the semantics of the words demon and demonic, and whether we can aptly consider any parasomnia phenomena such as sleep paralysis demonic in any instances. I am not here to discuss these matters. I am only here, as I said, to collect stories. I’ve interviewed a number of individuals in-person and online and have compiled a series of detailed apparitional accounts that interest me, some of which I would like to include in a few of the aforementioned book’s chapters. I would also, ideally, like to use a few of your own accounts in said book, which I would strictly reserve for the most detailed, compelling, and vivid anecdotes, preferably firsthand accounts rather than those told by someone else. You can post accounts here or speak to me privately. I am also willing to speak further on these matters to those who share a vivid memory with me or otherwise express a genuine interest in the unknown without preconception. If I find your account particularly noteworthy, and if, upon further research, I consider you a fairly credible person, I will consider using your story as an example of this phenomenon. I will not, in any case, use any personal information such as name or location. I only wish to compile the most compelling cases directly from the source.

Encounters could be in waking, in a hypnagogic or hypnopompic state, or in a dream state or other vision state. It doesn’t need to be in waking or a between state. Some of the most beautiful and vivid entities are encountered in dreams, sometimes lucid dreams, and I would be interested to hear some of the more rich, animated encounters of alterdimensional entities of a sinister sort.

Detailed accounts would ideally include: how old you were; your location at the time; the time and date; if you were lying down, what position you were in, whether supine, sideward, etc.; a description of any apparitions to include color, size, specific features, voices, behavior, location, etc.; a description of any other aspects of the episode to include emotions, sounds, vibrations, pressures, paralysis, speech, actions, alterations, portals, etc.; how the apparitional experience affected you, whether you feel the phenomenon continued to haunt you, whether you subsequently had unusually vivid or disturbing dreams; and also other questions such as whether you’ve seen any UFOs before or after; whether you think you may have experienced any paranormal phenomena before or after; whether you’ve experienced any lucid dreams, astral or infernal visions, or other altered states before or after; and, as an aside, how others have regarded your experience and whether others in your life experienced similar phenomena before or after. I am very patient and observant, and there is no need to rush any accounts submitted. I ask you take no more than about 1,000 words to describe your story, however if you would like to take more time, that is fine as well. Know that you will receive no judgment from me, even if you take a hard line stance on what exactly your experience is. I am only here to collect memories. I am not here to debate these matters, nor do I intend to peddle any ultimate theory of them. I am and always will be an agnostic in my core, interested foremost in pure experiential data, pure manifestations, independently of our own feelings and interpretations of them. I hope if you’ve read this far, and if you’re as interested in the complexities and truth of this phenomenon as I am, you will take some time to humor me and give us a particularly rich story from your corner of the world. As we learn more of each other’s experiences of the strange, and as we consider opportunities to experiment and delve deeper into the doors of our minds, perhaps we will find other doors open in time, and we encounter aspects of the cosmos once hidden from us.

- D.L.X.


Note: This post is by the pseudonymous author Sebastian Greenfield. Please message directly for any private matters or questions.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by h_k_s » January 12th, 2020, 10:12 pm

Randy333 wrote:
January 12th, 2020, 9:29 pm
I mention sleep paralysis in this post’s title because it’s a title that’s likely to draw more attention than a more specific title tailored to my purposes. I am not strictly interested in sleep paralysis stories. To be specific, I am primarily interested in certain kinds of apparitional experiences, many of which happen to occur during the altered state commonly known as sleep paralysis. I am a collector of memories, a connoisseur of nightmares, if you will. I am enchanted by all matters phantasmagoric, dreadful, and inhuman. If you stay a while and get to know me better, you may find you like some of what I have to offer. For this post, I’ve come here to request personal or secondhand accounts of nonhuman apparitions, namely those strange and sinister specters some call demons or evil spirits. There are many such accounts on the internet, many of them scattered chaotically around divergent comment sections, and many of them hastily written and sometimes lacking in the degree of detail researchers such as myself would like. I could browse for hours through forums, taking notes on the stories that interest me the most. However, rather than do that, I shall begin a new discussion here, for those of you who, like me, are drawn to the anomalous, the dark, the demonic, and the dreadful. As a final note to this introduction, let me make it clear I make no claim about the ultimate truth of the sleep paralysis, hypnagogic, or hypnopompic phenomena nor related and similar aspects of consciousness. I write this post purely as a phenomenological venture, to gather further detailed information on the subjective qualities of specific apparitional experiences. I will not here give any interpretations of such manifestations. Rather, I am only interested in descriptions of them.

A few notes about myself: I am a writer and paranormal researcher, with a primary interest in demonology. I have personal experience in sleep paralysis, hypnagogic and hypnopompic states, shadow apparitions and other manifestations, lucid dreams, and so-called astral projection. On a number of occasions, I have made attempts to deliberately induce sleep paralysis and other such states, and have attempted to commune directly with some of the manifestations associated with these states. While my metaphysical interests extend to the cosmos as a whole, I am drawn deepest to what I can characterize as ethereal elements of the cosmos: questions of dreams, nightmares, sleep paralysis, parasomnia, hauntings, demons, insanity, astral and infernal visions, advanced intelligence, alternate dimensions, the occult, transcendence, and, as an ultimate mystery, immortality. My interest in altered states extends to other dimensions of consciousness as well, to include UFOs, alien contact accounts, DMT realms, salvia realms, and any of the various entities encountered in these spheres. It should be noted that, when I use the word entity, it does not inherently carry a connotation of sentience. Entities in my terminology can be either sentient or insentient. I sometimes prefer the term over ‘beings’ or ‘apparitions’ because it can hold a more neutral connotation, signifying a presence exists as a subjectively external, distinct aspect of a subject’s field of consciousness, wherein many presences assume a form distinguishable from inanimate objects. Many apparitions have a humanoid, creature-like, or monstrous appearance, rather than, say, the appearance of a simple nondescript artifact. These can include humanoid shadows, creature shadows, various nonhuman guises, occasional human-like apparitions, and other kinds of manifestations. Rather than refer to all such manifestations as beings or apparitions, which can foster biases, I find that, semantically, the word entity can be used relatively neutrally to denote an aspect of the experience distinct from mere background.

Those preliminary considerations aside, allow me to clarify a few matters of importance to me, what may be considered possible misconceptions about some of these altered states. I could write much more on the complex nuances and questions involved in this field, and I have, however here I only wish to make a few short mentions to give some context to my approach to this.

For one, sleep paralysis does not always feature complete, unbreakable paralysis. Sometimes the paralysis is only partial and sometimes the paralysis is breakable. It’s conceivable all sleep paralysis is fundamentally breakable even if a subject feels it is unable to break the paralysis in the moment. In any case, a subject can begin a sleep paralysis episode in a complete or partial paralytic state, and then come to find it is able to break the paralysis by itself. Note as well that even if paralysis is broken, this may or may not cancel the altered state itself. I only note these matters for any who have the impression sleep paralysis necessarily involves unbreakable full body paralysis. Hypnagogic and hypnopompic states also do not always feature paralysis. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t. It is possible, for instance, to awake into a hypnopompic state and feel little if any paralysis. This depends in part on the subject.

Beyond that, let us also recognize this: Not everyone is terrified of sleep paralysis and related phenomena. Sleep paralysis is commonly characterized as terrifying by those who experience it. This is a subjectively genuine description and one I have experienced myself. However, terror, dread, and other such emotions are not universal facets of the experience. It is very possible to not be afraid in the state at all, whether of the paralysis, apparitions, or other phenomena present. This stoic approach to parasomnia states can take some time to develop. Even as you begin to eliminate fear, you may find certain manifestations or senses incite dread, such as elements that excite personal phobias. Even so, one’s reaction to such states can in principle and in practice be largely controlled, if not fully controlled. This composed, focused state of mind can allow one to conduct clearer observations and experiments and explore deeper dimensions of consciousness. Bear this methodology in mind as we consider this field and have other experiences in the future.

As an addendum to this section, I would also note I find it important to recognize that there is often a question about whether a subject was actually awake in the normal sense when the subject experienced an altered state such as sleep paralysis. Based on my analysis of my own experiences and those of others, it appears that, sometimes, the subject is awake in the normal sense, and sometimes, the subject is asleep, and only appears to be awake in the normal sense. If you consider telling a story, do note whether the percipient ultimately appeared to be awake.

About three years ago, I was involved in research to compile cases and evidence to establish a clearer, more nuanced account of this somewhat obscure array of phenomena. I find that some authors don’t approach the phenomenon in as much philosophical and scientific depth as they could, and often use mere anecdotes as the bulk of their books, or dismiss the phenomenon entirely as a mere meaningless glitch in the human mind. I feel these matters could benefit from a much closer and experimental examination, and for that I have worked over the years to compile information and organize concepts and research. For the past three years, I largely took a break from this field, and wrote ‘fiction’ as well as dabbled in some creative designs and other interests. Recently, I decided to pick up where I left off and, as part of my literary plans, I intend to write a book devoted to a comprehensive account of a certain breed of apparitional experiences and altered states, namely the vein of reality called the demonic by some. There is wide disagreement about the nature of the demonic, the semantics of the words demon and demonic, and whether we can aptly consider any parasomnia phenomena such as sleep paralysis demonic in any instances. I am not here to discuss these matters. I am only here, as I said, to collect stories. I’ve interviewed a number of individuals in-person and online and have compiled a series of detailed apparitional accounts that interest me, some of which I would like to include in a few of the aforementioned book’s chapters. I would also, ideally, like to use a few of your own accounts in said book, which I would strictly reserve for the most detailed, compelling, and vivid anecdotes, preferably firsthand accounts rather than those told by someone else. You can post accounts here or speak to me privately. I am also willing to speak further on these matters to those who share a vivid memory with me or otherwise express a genuine interest in the unknown without preconception. If I find your account particularly noteworthy, and if, upon further research, I consider you a fairly credible person, I will consider using your story as an example of this phenomenon. I will not, in any case, use any personal information such as name or location. I only wish to compile the most compelling cases directly from the source.

Encounters could be in waking, in a hypnagogic or hypnopompic state, or in a dream state or other vision state. It doesn’t need to be in waking or a between state. Some of the most beautiful and vivid entities are encountered in dreams, sometimes lucid dreams, and I would be interested to hear some of the more rich, animated encounters of alterdimensional entities of a sinister sort.

Detailed accounts would ideally include: how old you were; your location at the time; the time and date; if you were lying down, what position you were in, whether supine, sideward, etc.; a description of any apparitions to include color, size, specific features, voices, behavior, location, etc.; a description of any other aspects of the episode to include emotions, sounds, vibrations, pressures, paralysis, speech, actions, alterations, portals, etc.; how the apparitional experience affected you, whether you feel the phenomenon continued to haunt you, whether you subsequently had unusually vivid or disturbing dreams; and also other questions such as whether you’ve seen any UFOs before or after; whether you think you may have experienced any paranormal phenomena before or after; whether you’ve experienced any lucid dreams, astral or infernal visions, or other altered states before or after; and, as an aside, how others have regarded your experience and whether others in your life experienced similar phenomena before or after. I am very patient and observant, and there is no need to rush any accounts submitted. I ask you take no more than about 1,000 words to describe your story, however if you would like to take more time, that is fine as well. Know that you will receive no judgment from me, even if you take a hard line stance on what exactly your experience is. I am only here to collect memories. I am not here to debate these matters, nor do I intend to peddle any ultimate theory of them. I am and always will be an agnostic in my core, interested foremost in pure experiential data, pure manifestations, independently of our own feelings and interpretations of them. I hope if you’ve read this far, and if you’re as interested in the complexities and truth of this phenomenon as I am, you will take some time to humor me and give us a particularly rich story from your corner of the world. As we learn more of each other’s experiences of the strange, and as we consider opportunities to experiment and delve deeper into the doors of our minds, perhaps we will find other doors open in time, and we encounter aspects of the cosmos once hidden from us.

- D.L.X.


Note: This post is by the pseudonymous author Sebastian Greenfield. Please message directly for any private matters or questions.
As far as apparitional experiences go, I once met Lucifer in one, and had to debate with him.

By urging him to repent and turn to Jesus for forgiveness of all Lucifer's many crimes and sins, I seemed to distress him enough to cause him to depart from me.

That's really the only one that I have had.

Similar to yours maybe?

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by Halc » January 12th, 2020, 10:56 pm

My sleep paralysis tended to follow the nightmares. It was a release of a form, but into a better state, albeit still imprisoned.
Nothing I would classify as 'apparitions'.

The nightmares (which started abruptly at age 5) were repetitive and had some consistent symbols in them, notably a stage floor floodlight. But none of that during the paralysis itself.
Most of those nightmares have gone away now. Haven't seen the damn floodlight in a long time. The paralysis remains intermittent, and seem hereditary since my brother reports having it.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by Pantagruel » January 13th, 2020, 9:25 am

My very earliest memory is of an apparition at the foot of my bed, a glowing figure in a a robe. I tried to scream over and over but I couldn't move and no sound came out. When I 'woke up'' my father was running water over me in the tub as I was having a seizure. The images are very vivid and I can still recall how "large" the faucet of the tub looked.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by h_k_s » January 13th, 2020, 10:31 am

Pantagruel wrote:
January 13th, 2020, 9:25 am
My very earliest memory is of an apparition at the foot of my bed, a glowing figure in a a robe. I tried to scream over and over but I couldn't move and no sound came out. When I 'woke up'' my father was running water over me in the tub as I was having a seizure. The images are very vivid and I can still recall how "large" the faucet of the tub looked.
I had a nightmare like that once when I was a kid at 9 years old.

I was sleeping in my bed, and I dreamed I was asleep on the couch in the living room. Then this dark shadow appeared outside the window in the night, and it looked in at me through the glass, and its eyes lit up into two shining red glowing balls of fire. This filled me with horror, and I screamed in my sleep, and that woke me. But for a brief moment I was held captive by those two glowing red eyes.

In the 1987 move "Predator" written by Jim & John Thomas and starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, the predator's eyes light up like that too, when he is cloaked, and Bill Duke the actor sees him for the first time and empties his minigun in the predator's direction.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by Felix » January 13th, 2020, 3:30 pm

h_k_s: As far as apparitional experiences go, I once met Lucifer in one, and had to debate with him.
Yes, if you cannot interact with a being, why bother with 'em. Aleister Crowley said that the primary purpose of magic (or magick as he spelled it, to distinguish it from stage magic) is to interact with higher forms of intelligence, whom he considered to be objective beings.
"We do not see things as they are; we see things as we are." - Anaïs Nin

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by Pantagruel » January 13th, 2020, 3:43 pm

Felix wrote:
January 13th, 2020, 3:30 pm
h_k_s: As far as apparitional experiences go, I once met Lucifer in one, and had to debate with him.
Yes, if you cannot interact with a being, why bother with 'em. Aleister Crowley said that the primary purpose of magic (or magick as he spelled it, to distinguish it from stage magic) is to interact with higher forms of intelligence, whom he considered to be objective beings.
The co-ordination of individual bees with the global purposes of the hive-mind has a magical aspect to it. If there are higher forms of consciousness then they are likely somewhere on a continuum with us, so we are probably already interacting with them, in ways that we just don't fully understand....

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by h_k_s » January 14th, 2020, 7:09 am

Felix wrote:
January 13th, 2020, 3:30 pm
h_k_s: As far as apparitional experiences go, I once met Lucifer in one, and had to debate with him.
Yes, if you cannot interact with a being, why bother with 'em. Aleister Crowley said that the primary purpose of magic (or magick as he spelled it, to distinguish it from stage magic) is to interact with higher forms of intelligence, whom he considered to be objective beings.
Lucifer is a real being with powers of persuasion and intimidation. But he is all talk. The best way to defeat him is to out-talk him. And he hates Jesus his arch-rival so much that one mention of Jesus' name (in any language) and Lucifer flees from you.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by h_k_s » January 14th, 2020, 7:12 am

Pantagruel wrote:
January 13th, 2020, 3:43 pm
Felix wrote:
January 13th, 2020, 3:30 pm


Yes, if you cannot interact with a being, why bother with 'em. Aleister Crowley said that the primary purpose of magic (or magick as he spelled it, to distinguish it from stage magic) is to interact with higher forms of intelligence, whom he considered to be objective beings.
The co-ordination of individual bees with the global purposes of the hive-mind has a magical aspect to it. If there are higher forms of consciousness then they are likely somewhere on a continuum with us, so we are probably already interacting with them, in ways that we just don't fully understand....
It's a lot like the NFL draft.

We mortal humans are the potential draftees.

We will be drafted or not drafted. And those of us who are not drafted become free agents. But eventually one team or the other will find us and decide they need and want us too.

The teams are the Good Guys and the Bad Guys (with lots of Good and Bad Girls in both camps).

Inherently you and I and everyone else is/are either good or bad deep inside. The team that needs and wants us the most is the one that is most like each of us.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by Pantagruel » January 14th, 2020, 9:16 am

h_k_s wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 7:12 am
Pantagruel wrote:
January 13th, 2020, 3:43 pm
Inherently you and I and everyone else is/are either good or bad deep inside. The team that needs and wants us the most is the one that is most like each of us.
I'd agree we are all part of some corporate consciousness or other ultimately. Consciousness is inherently a community, as far as I can tell.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by h_k_s » January 15th, 2020, 1:37 pm

Pantagruel wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 9:16 am


I'd agree we are all part of some corporate consciousness or other ultimately. Consciousness is inherently a community, as far as I can tell.
The unity of corporate consciousness which exists at the present time is one of co-existence.

These two camps are inherently incompatible however, and will ultimately become enemies, and thus they will finally be separated into two separate camps which shall forever remain separated.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by Pantagruel » January 15th, 2020, 2:05 pm

h_k_s wrote:
January 15th, 2020, 1:37 pm
Pantagruel wrote:
January 14th, 2020, 9:16 am


I'd agree we are all part of some corporate consciousness or other ultimately. Consciousness is inherently a community, as far as I can tell.
The unity of corporate consciousness which exists at the present time is one of co-existence.

These two camps are inherently incompatible however, and will ultimately become enemies, and thus they will finally be separated into two separate camps which shall forever remain separated.
Sounds very Manichean.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by h_k_s » January 15th, 2020, 3:33 pm

Pantagruel wrote:
January 15th, 2020, 2:05 pm
h_k_s wrote:
January 15th, 2020, 1:37 pm


The unity of corporate consciousness which exists at the present time is one of co-existence.

These two camps are inherently incompatible however, and will ultimately become enemies, and thus they will finally be separated into two separate camps which shall forever remain separated.
Sounds very Manichean.
Mani of Persia is predated by several millennia by Zoroaster of Old Persia.

Duality has been around since ancient antiquity and is reflected in the teachings of Moses, Confucius, Siddhartha, Plato, Aristotle, Jesus, and Muhammad as well. I believe you can even find duality in the Modern Philosophy of Sir/Dr/Prof Roger Scruton as well.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by h_k_s » January 15th, 2020, 3:37 pm

Sir/Dr/Prof Roger Scruton, if you are out there and watching, please feel free to chime-in.

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Re: Sleep Paralysis and Apparitional Experiences

Post by h_k_s » January 15th, 2020, 3:50 pm

h_k_s wrote:
January 15th, 2020, 3:37 pm
Sir/Dr/Prof Roger Scruton, if you are out there and watching, please feel free to chime-in.

:D
I just discovered at his web page that Sir Roger died 3 days ago. May he rest in peace.

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