gad-fly wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 12:54 am
The decline of God is another way of saying that God is dying. This dying process would serve well if it can bring people to identify meaning within their own lives.
Nietzsche wasn't just suggesting that God's role is declining but that the role of God is past the point of no return for most of Western civilization. There are certainly still people who hold onto their faith but modernity has irreversibly affected the hierarchical rank of religious faith in the collective order of our highest truths--thus God is not just dying but is dead. US politicians are still superficially religious but none of their actions reflect the sort of God-fearing behavior we could imagine experiencing or seeing from authority figures 200+ years ago.
And the perspective I'm taking (partially based on my limited understanding of Nietzsche) is that God's death has left the majority of us without an infallible ideal to pursue. We can admire and look up to the ideals of human accomplishments but we're clumsy in who we choose to respect and our heroes can let us down or deceive us. Whether we ever believed in God or religion, we are still weakly tethered together by the ethics and sense of purpose that religion provided us for so many centuries but as faith in tradition gets weaker we are latching onto ideologies that haven't been historically tested. So yes, the influence of God as an idea might still be guiding our evolutionary path but not for much longer.
gad-fly wrote: ↑February 15th, 2020, 12:54 am
Consumerism/hedonism/tribalism living alongside with strong moral discipline/purpose should b welcomed in a diverse civilization.
What makes you certain of that, does it feel to you like we're moving in a more enlightened direction? I'm not cynical about this but we've never in human history been so close to the edge of annihilation. Our survival instincts will help us course correct when things become catastrophic but I'm not at all convinced we're guiding ourselves to a stronger sense of virtue/moral strength. I think inevitably there will be more prophet-like characters revealing themselves to us as we continue to lose faith in our sense of direction. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is Nietzsche offering his critique of the naive paths most of us are subscribing to and offering Zarathustra as the prophet who preaches the next stage of human worship, and a reflection of a new human ideal, the ubermensch.
The closest person I've encountered who embodies that ideal is ultra-marathon runner David Goggins, but the self discipline and striving that he advocates and sets himself up as an example for are extremely difficult for people to stomach. Once again, maybe that should be its own thread.. I'm curious if anybody else has read Zarathustra or has an opinion about that sort of thing.