God and Human: Who has created Whom?

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Looks like someone posted Donald Hoffman's 'The Case Against Reality' audio book online. I had the chance to listen through, bought the Kindle version, and as before I think he's come pretty close to nailing the right vector on this.

This is essentially a mosh pit where conscious agents slug it out for power, forever pursuing fitness payouts, and I'd frankly at this point be surprised if the whole universe isn't like this. If it isn't there'd perhaps be different transitional phases where power becomes ossified and no longer in flux, not impossible but I don't know what an eternal stable state in that sense would look like.
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gad-fly wrote: August 1st, 2020, 1:30 pm
Belindi wrote: August 1st, 2020, 10:57 am
I agree, but what is it that continuously creates and destroys and creates again, and evolves?Believers call it God in his Immanence role. When this applies to human beings I am what is usually called atheist, so I call it variously "urge to live" or "fear" or "love" according to the propensities of individual human beings .
"what is it that continuously creates and destroys and creates again" is Evolution, a natural phenomenon which occurs with or without God's influence, depending on your belief. It has little to do with the propensity of human urge, unless you mean quantitatively like having more or fewer offspring.
Yes, and some people can use poetic language to describe change itself . One poetic way to describe change itself is to call it 'God'. Usually people who call change itself 'Immanent God' are theists who also believe change is an ordered affair that makes sense if there were no men to think about it. Those who believe in transcendent order but don't believe in immanent order are called deists.
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God created Man and in turn Man created "God." It's an old story. A mystery story, part comedy, part tragedy, full of action and adventure, rated R for violence and stupidity.
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