gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
creation wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 7:15 am
I am writing CLEARLY. You are just NOT seeing it.
And, If it is not up to you to clarify another's meaning, then who is it up to?
And, you have a right to believe absolutely anything you want, just as long as that belief does not lead to the abuse of any thing.
Also, what is 'God', exactly?
Obviously, if you understand that, to me, God, in the visible sense, is the Universe, Itself. Then I have communicated, to you, very clearly.
You say that "half the world's population believe in a 'God', that only exists in their minds, so obviously that was the God I was referring to"
Now, you obviously are not communicating clearly at all because I still do not understand what is this 'God thing', which you say exists only in "their minds".
So, to you,
What is this 'God' thing?
And,
What is these 'mind' things?
Do not be to surprised with yourself when you are completely and utterly incapable of explaining what these 'things' are exactly.
Saying, "the 'God' that half the world's population believes in", (besides being false, wrong, and incorrect in and of itself) does NOT explain clearly what this 'God' thing is at all. If thee Truth be KNOWN you do not even know what this 'God' thing is. You are just saying things you have heard before, and are now just your own previously gained assumptions, without ever considering and wondering what it is that you heard and are now just saying and re-re-repeating.
Are you really this so full of your self, that you actually believe that what you know 'now' will not, in the near future' be SHOWN and PROVEN to be WRONG, also?
Just like "einstein" understood some things, you also understand some things, but like 'you', "einstein", and every other human being, some of those things they understand, in their times, eventually becomes redundant.
Some of what you understand here, is already obviously WRONG, and thus redundant. But most are not so full of themselves to say that you are clueless about those things. Some just KNOW and UNDERSTAND WHY you think and say those things that you do.
Was that short and concise enough for you? Or, are you still confused?
By the way if you want to talk about making things less confusing, then I suggest when you want to say what I write, then you make it clear when and where you start replying to my words.
If anyone is Truly interested in what I am actually saying, and not what they assume I am saying, then they will find that it is the most simplest of all.
Human beings created the word 'God', and that word refers directly to the Universe, Itself, which created the species 'human being', which by the way is only a part of the evolutionary process, and eventually evolves out of being human and becomes what is meant to BE.
Absolutely ALL other meaningful questions in Life can be very simply explained and answered, and very easily understood. It just needs the Truly OPEN Mind.
When I say "this is true" it's because it is true. Im identifying the truth, like 1 plus 1 is 2, it's not true because I say it's true.
Have you seriously still not understood me yet?
EVERY person says, "it is true", in regards to what they 'believe' is true.
For example, every person who 'believes' that the Universe is finite says, "it is true", just like you do, and they will, just like you do, go on saying other things 'trying to' "justify" that their beliefs are true. But, is what they say actually true, because they say "it is true"? Who are 'we' to listen to and/or believe when there are two people saying the exact opposite things, and then stating; "it is true"?
Surely you can understand what I have been saying and getting at now?
'1 plus 1 is 2' is only true because every one AGREES it is and says, "it is true". This is not some fundamental 'truth' that existed before human beings conjured up the concept of 'truth'.
Human beings just got together and said something like: if we call this 'one' and call this 'one' also, then when we put them together if we call this 'two', then if no disagrees with this, then we can and will say; '1 plus 1 is 2, is true', agreed?
Maybe you have not been understanding me because maybe you actually 100% BELIEVE that what you say is absolutely and irrefutably true?
Is this what you actually believe?
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
At least 5 billion people believe in God, Christian, Islam, Hindu, etc.
And what I would ask each and every one of those 5 billion is 'What is 'it' exactly that you are believing in'?
I will also ask you 'HOW do you KNOW what you wrote here? Where did you get that "at least 5 billion" figure from?
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
In Islam, God is the absolute one, the all-powerful and all-knowing ruler of the universe, and the creator of everything in existence. In Hindu there are 3 main Gods, responsible for the creation, maintenance, and destruction of the Universe. God is credited with the creation of the Universe, by most people on earth.
So what?
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
What i said about time. space, and gravity is wrong?
YES.
This is because 'you are wrong', and this is because 'it is true'.
Did you notice how there is absolutely no use whatsoever at all in some one saying; "it is true"?
Either people will accept or not accept what another one says (or just remain open) no matter if the words "it is true" are added on or not.
You can write the words, "it is true", for the rest of eternity after your claims, but until you provide actual proof that backs up and supports your claims, no amount of reassuring words will work.
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
- If its easy to prove me wrong, then do it - don't talk about doing it.
Who said that it was easy to prove you wrong? I NEVER said that, nor even thought that, let alone even remotely suggest it? Why did you even start to assume such a thing?
Also, I NEVER talked about proving you wrong.
If you want to KNOW thee actual Truth of things, when a person is believing some thing is true, then it is impossible to prove them wrong. So, it is not easy at all to prove to some people that they are wrong. Even if one had just about the whole Universe as proof against what one believes, then, while that one is still believing, then they are not capable of seeing and understanding any thing opposing their belief even if it is thee actual Truth.
Surely even you KNOW this to be True. After all you keep informing others that you know what the truth is and that they do not understand it.
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
Why aren't you more specific?
Because I have no intention of proving you wrong.
I do not want to prove nor even show what is right.
I just want people to become OPEN and curious like they were when they were younger. That way they can find thee actual Truth of things for, and by, themselves.
I am just in a process of learning how to communicate this succinctly.
Also, the reason WHY I am not more specific is to teach a lesson that IF anyone is truly interested, truly OPEN, and truly curious about gaining understanding, then they, themselves, will be far more specific in asking very specific clarifying questions.
One can only provide the 'specifics' of what it is that others specifically want to know.
If, and when, some one is Truly curious about others, and in what they are saying and meaning, only then will they ask very specific clarifying questions. Until then most will just do what they do on this forum, and that is only want to express and be heard, and not listen to others, and learn.
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
What's wrong?
Some of your assumptions and beliefs.
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
Or do you just hope i'm wrong about something, but you don't know what it is?
I KNOW you are wrong about something.
For example, you say, "space is infinite". And as I have informed you before already, which you would not even look at, let alone think about and consider is; Space (itself) is not infinite, as you say it is. Space may go on forever, but space is not infinite in and of itself. This is obvious and evidenced by the fact that there is physical matter. Space is, in a sense, 'finite', although it does, in a sense, go on forever or infinitely.
But as long as you BELIEVE that you are not wrong at all and continue BELIEVING that you absolutely and irrefutably right, then you will just keep completely dismissing what I have said, and say here now.
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
The Universe is simple, once you learn that Einstein and the Scientific community were/are clueless about time and space, and that telescopes and theories are useless.
And, the Universe, to me, is even far simpler than you make out it is and even imagine it is.
What the Universe IS, and how It works is about the most simplest thing ever.
Now, as I have already pointed out, people like those named "einstein" and the ones in the scientific community are NOT "clueless" about time and space at all. Sure they may be mistaken, and mistaken quite a bit, about 'time' and 'space', but so are 'we'. For surely if 'we' KNEW absolutely every thing already perfectly, then we could just write that down in an unambiguous way, which could could not be refuted.
Now, obviously others before you were NOT so called "clueless" because it was the 'clues' that they have led, which helped you to see and understand that the Universe is infinite and not finite at all. You obviously did not just come the understanding that you have now all by yourself without absolutely no input from others. In fact the only reason you know what you know now is because of all the others before you.
And, if you believe telescopes are useless, then just remember that without them you and the rest of us may well still be believing that the sun revolves around the earth.
As for theories being useless, in and of themselves, then that is not true as well. What will become from 'theories' is the understanding of WHY making up assumptions, stories, and guesses about what 'could be' and 'trying to' either falsify or verify them is a complete waste of time, considering how seeing what thee actual Truth of things IS can be done almost instantaneously. For example, look at how much time and effort has gone into looking at the assumption and theory that the Universe is finite, and all the effort that has gone into 'trying to' prove that the Universe being finite, with a beginning is true, when what thee actual Truth IS can be seen and understood almost immediately. That Truth being the Universe is infinite and eternal.
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
There is false information being taught, and as someone that knows the truth, I attempt to enlighten others, even though i have to deal with moronic people that are clueless about physics.
Speaking like that is NOT going to help you so call "enlighten" others.
I do NOT care one iota about how great you believe you are, and how moronic you believe others are, compared to your irrefutable knowing of the TRUTH.
What I want to see from you is how you can and will 'enlighten others'. STOP telling us how great you are and start showing how others are being
enlightened by you.
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
lol - you are letting me believe whatever I like? That's big of you.
I have an open mind, that's why I was able to see through all of the nonsense, and not blindly accept their "science."
If you supposedly have an open 'mind', then what is the 'mind'?
Also, have you seen through 'ALL' of the nonsense?
Are you absolutely positively sure that there is nothing whatsoever you have missed.
gater wrote: ↑March 31st, 2020, 10:49 pm
If you're so gifted, why dont you explain the Universe?
'I', unlike 'you', have NEVER said that I am gifted. 'you' are the only one here believing and saying that 'you' ARE GIFTED.
By they way, you did not answer just one of my five or six actual clarifying questions. Why is this?